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[Psychosis]

*facepalm* I just realised it wasn't Friday that the Nimoy thing happened, it was Saturday. My other friend was there too.

[lukeowl]

Honest views from long time posters don't seem to be welcome here...

[MikeDonovan]

lukeowl, on Jun 7 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Honest views from long time posters don't seem to be welcome here...

Why do you say that Luke?

[homer]

All of the guests who were there on friday were freezing.  Nathan fillion wrapped his blanket around his legs cause he was cold.  Maybe next time they could have heaters.

[MikeDonovan]

homer, on Jun 7 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

All of the guests who were there on friday were freezing.  Nathan fillion wrapped his blanket around his legs cause he was cold.  Maybe next time they could have heaters.

Avery Brooks had one when I met him on sunday

[sazzra]

homer, on Jun 7 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

All of the guests who were there on friday were freezing.  Nathan fillion wrapped his blanket around his legs cause he was cold.  Maybe next time they could have heaters.

But it's not going to be an issue next time

[reddragon]

homer, on Jun 7 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

All of the guests who were there on friday were freezing.  Nathan fillion wrapped his blanket around his legs cause he was cold.  Maybe next time they could have heaters.

Did you see James Tolkan jogging around the arena to keep warm on Friday?

In fairness, the guests were brilliant and seemedvery positive under the circumstances.

The stadium has a lot of potential, especially if the next one is going to be in the Olymic Hall in MK.

It was a shame the talks had to be cancelled though.

Edited by reddragon, 07 June 2009 - 07:36 PM.

[chris_mk]

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

Honest opinion from me of the whole weekend? worst one ever! I HATE the new venue and what the is with that fair we were suppose 2 b on about? i asked question and never got straight answers!

They definitely WERE there, but I think the weather was the beating of them. By this morning, the area they had occupied was pretty wet.

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

i think its ridiculous, u have to wait 4 hours for a pic then be told "oh dont worry it'll be out before 5", and have to pay £2 postage coz u cant stay till 5!!

Surely that would be the same issue if they were in the centre? The impression I got, was that they just took a LOT of photos (due to the huge popularity of the guests).

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

I also didnt like that i got told not to ask nimoy for personalistion but when everyone else did it was ok? on behalf of the staff tho, that issue was sorted for me, thanxs roxy and the pit manager.

I know you've been to these events before, so you know that some people will always push their luck and ask for something that they've been told not to. Leonard Nimoy seemed too polite to refuse those requests.

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

Also guests canceling on the day kinda SUCKED, but not sm fault i know that. it all seemed very disorganised and like the crew had too much on there plates, but just my opinion

Fair comment, if that's what you witnessed, but it sounded from your other comments, that actually the crew were able to help you, suggesting their workloads were relatively well balanced.

reddragon, on Jun 7 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

In fairness, the guests were brilliant and seemedvery positive under the circumstances.

I think that one sentence sums up the event.... the guests were awesome and kept high spirits, despite the meterological setbacks.  

[Sazzzy]

chris_mk, on Jun 7 2009, 09:29 PM, said:

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

Honest opinion from me of the whole weekend? worst one ever! I HATE the new venue and what the is with that fair we were suppose 2 b on about? i asked question and never got straight answers!

They definitely WERE there, but I think the weather was the beating of them. By this morning, the area they had occupied was pretty wet.

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

i think its ridiculous, u have to wait 4 hours for a pic then be told "oh dont worry it'll be out before 5", and have to pay £2 postage coz u cant stay till 5!!

Surely that would be the same issue if they were in the centre? The impression I got, was that they just took a LOT of photos (due to the huge popularity of the guests).

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

I also didnt like that i got told not to ask nimoy for personalistion but when everyone else did it was ok? on behalf of the staff tho, that issue was sorted for me, thanxs roxy and the pit manager.

I know you've been to these events before, so you know that some people will always push their luck and ask for something that they've been told not to. Leonard Nimoy seemed too polite to refuse those requests.

Sazzzy, on Jun 7 2009, 06:39 PM, said:

Also guests canceling on the day kinda SUCKED, but not sm fault i know that. it all seemed very disorganised and like the crew had too much on there plates, but just my opinion

Fair comment, if that's what you witnessed, but it sounded from your other comments, that actually the crew were able to help you, suggesting their workloads were relatively well balanced.

reddragon, on Jun 7 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

In fairness, the guests were brilliant and seemedvery positive under the circumstances.

I think that one sentence sums up the event.... the guests were awesome and kept high spirits, despite the meterological setbacks.  

I KNOW the fair was there itr was just...Crap.. lol. There was like nothing to it and looked like if you went on it youd get hurt lol.

and no.. iv been to mk cons for last couple years both events each year and iv never had photos like that.. somtimes been a delay but never just been like "poh it'll be before 5", i think it was badly organised.

and yeeh i know, its just what bugged me is wen we asked we got told not to..but then everyone loads of people i saw after had it done so theyd obviously been ok to ask? anywasy as i said that got fixed, which i am very very thankful for.

yes..there was about 4/5 members of the crew who helped me out.. but one was because another of the crew sorted it for me with them. Another few, just seemed busy or didnt know what was happening themselves on a few things.

not that im saying it was ALL bad, i think half of this was down to the new venue, not actually SM, and it hasnt put me off there shows at all...bring on lfccc lol

Edited by Sazzzy, 07 June 2009 - 08:40 PM.

[lukeowl]

MikeDonovan, on Jun 7 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

lukeowl, on Jun 7 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Honest views from long time posters don't seem to be welcome here...

Why do you say that Luke?

The sheer amount of detailed comments and opinions that have been deleted and then followed up with a new topic by Showmasters arguing that any criticsm is only posted by first time posters trying to cause problems for the event. Paranoid or what?! If and event is good, I'll say it's good, if it has flaws, I expect to be able to post my views and not have them deleted!   So, in answer to your question Mike, I say that because SM take any criticsm to be trying to damage the show and that really isn't the case. This will probably be deleted as well now!

Edited by lukeowl, 07 June 2009 - 08:36 PM.

[chris_mk]

lukeowl, on Jun 7 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

MikeDonovan, on Jun 7 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

lukeowl, on Jun 7 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Honest views from long time posters don't seem to be welcome here...

Why do you say that Luke?

The sheer amount of detailed comments and opinions that have been deleted and then followed up with a new topic by Showmasters arguing that any criticsm is only posted by first time posters trying to cause problems for the event. Paranoid or what?! If and event is good, I'll say it's good, if it has flaws, I expect to be able to post my views and not have them deleted!   So, in answer to your question Mike, I say that because SM take any criticsm to be trying to damage the show and that really isn't the case. This will probably be deleted as well now!

I very much doubt this will be deleted. The threads you refer to, were destructive, rather than constructive and contained factual inaccuracies.

[SugarSpunSister]

My one serious complaint would be about the Leonard Nimoy escorts on Friday (I think). I'm not entirely sure it was Nimoy because it happened so fast. One moment I was walking along next to the queue for Nimoy in the opposite direction, close to it and keeping out of the way. The next moment a group of tuxedo clad men hovered around a man (probably Nimoy) , one of them screamed "Move over and give us some SPACE!!" or something along those lines at me, shoved me, and I hit the deck.
[/quote]

Yes, I was witness to the Leonard Nimoy entourage on Saturday, we were walking through the Dealer Room when someone started shouted "out of the way, clear the area" or something and then I saw the scary man who escorted Peter Facinelli all weekend at ET1 along with several other security people marching Leonard Nimoy through the area with no concern for the general public... Guess it does really suck to be a member of Joe Public!  But that is bad if you fell over due to them x

Edited by SugarSpunSister, 09 June 2009 - 11:49 AM.

[Christoff]

Kehlan, on Jun 7 2009, 06:15 PM, said:

I was assaulted by his minders as well and have just emailed Showmasters about it.  I was with a friend in a wheelchair and they grabbed her chair with no warning and shoved her out of the way, coming very close to tiping her chair over and causing serious injury.  They also grabbed me, shoved me aside and shouted at me.  

I am sorry to hear other people had similar problems, and at the same time, releived to know I'm not alone.  I can only suggest you email showmasters as I have done.  Not that it was their fault but as the employers of the security guys, they do need to know about it.

I think I might've been in front of you in the queue, someone mentioned a themselves and a wheelchair being pushed out of the way who was in a TNG uniform (with their partner in a newer style unifrom and sunglasses), I also remember overhearing talk of you normally being a Klingon which you are in your display pic, so I'm guessing it might've been you

Psychosis, on Jun 7 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

MikeDonovan, on Jun 7 2009, 05:57 PM, said:

Not good at all - you definitely can't let something like that slide. If they'd pushed me like that, I'd have pushed back   Did anyone else see it?

I have no idea... I was with my friend (christoff) but he was slightly in front of me so I think all he saw was me scrambling to collect my belongings from the floor.

I was pushed aside too, had no idea what that was all about at first, looked back and thought I saw the back of Nimoy in the middle of them, and I don't think I saw you scrambling to collect your stuff from the floor or I would've helped

[Grazer]

Its a shame that people have got caught in the way through no fault of their own and I appreciate how that can feel. In defence of the security guards though, they're not paid to mess about and being all "touchy feely" in asking people to move doesn't always work. Ultimately, they are paid to get the guest from A to B as quickly and safely as possible, they cannot take chances or risk getting delayed. Even more so with guests of Nimoys status.

[Psychosis]

Well, nobody ever said you're the most observant tool in the box... you did ask me if I was okay though LOL. (Chris)

They could've got the guest from A to B easily without touching me. I wasn't in the way. In fact, I actually took up more room when they bowled me over - they didn't even attempt to use the space that I was standing in when they shoved me, and there was no way I could've reached Nimoy from where I stood. And being touchy feely might not always work, but saying "Move aside please" and giving someone at least two seconds to process the request and move would be smart. Shoving people out of the way without any concern at all is just wrong.

Edited by Psychosis, 07 June 2009 - 09:33 PM.

[stobbs]

hey Mike, did try to spot you today, sorry i missed you. Did you get James to sign something on Wargames?

i went all three days, upon arrival on Friday i was shocked/surprised on the layout and the fact the guest's were on the 'outside'. Seemed very strange and did worry SM had made a big mistake.
but have to say the whole set-up grew on me over the weekend, Sat/Sun with more people and guests made it feel better and ended up having a great time and spent a lot of money.


however this was a one time type of event, next one will be indoors as usual, shame it wasn't held the previous weekend with the heat-wave


god knows how many laps of the stadium i did over the course of the weekend, but my feet are killing me now!

[Grazer]

I didn't see what happened to you Psychosis and I completely believe what you say. Just saying I understand the security's approach to things sometimes.

[MikeDonovan]

chris_mk, on Jun 7 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

I very much doubt this will be deleted. The threads you refer to, were destructive, rather than constructive and contained factual inaccuracies.

On reflection I agree with Chris - I'm not sure I entirely agree with the deletion of those whole threads either, although there was a lot of non-constructive posts. But I think everyone on this thread has been pretty constructive by and large.

Edited by MikeDonovan, 07 June 2009 - 09:58 PM.

[cat in boots]

MikeDonovan, on Jun 7 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

The Guests
The only thing that had me scratching my head was the fact that the dealers were ensconced in a (relatively) warm room, while the guests were outside in the cold. I'm sure there were reasons, but intuitively I expected it to be the other way around. After all, sorry dealers, but in terms of importance the guests are a bit higher up the food chain than you are.

I've read this sort of comment a few times over the past couple of days and has anyone thought that the reason for the dealers being where they were was because that was a lockable not open to the open area. I know some of the dealers were in the more open area and I saw them setting up this morning. The Guests arn't left in the arena over night are they, they are taken to nice safe hotel rooms. The dealers need to know there stock is safe overnight. But that would be my guess anyway.

And sorry but I wasn't keen on the venue at all, just didn't seem to feel right for me anyway.

[Rockstar6662]

Psychosis, on Jun 7 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

They could've got the guest from A to B easily without touching me. I wasn't in the way. In fact, I actually took up more room when they bowled me over - they didn't even attempt to use the space that I was standing in when they shoved me, and there was no way I could've reached Nimoy from where I stood. And being touchy feely might not always work, but saying "Move aside please" and giving someone at least two seconds to process the request and move would be smart. Shoving people out of the way without any concern at all is just wrong.

And could possibly be classified as assault. I imagine there were quite a few witnesses. There's no call for that kind of thing and if it's true that someone in a wheelchair was pushed out of the way by them, they clearly don't know how to do their job properly. I was under the impression that security staff are not supposed to lay their hands on anyone without due cause and just getting people to clear the way doesn't sound like a good enough cause.

Normally everyone seems to be pretty respectful when the guests are moving around the place and keep out of the way so there shouldn't be any need to be so heavy handed.

Hope you're ok from the experience though.