GDL for Hub 3?

[Zibal01]

Hi

 

I have already bought my tickets, so I will be attending the event but could someone from Showmasters/Massive Events please advise on whether or not they are going to invite GDL to the Hub 3?

 

I have it on good authority that he has not yet been asked, which I don't understand for a number of reasons:

 

1) He's very popular with the fans.

2) With Eve being pregnant (and Kai's partner expecting it's unlikely either will be attending) that leaves John Barrowman as the only member of the Torchwood Team attending as things stand.

3) CoE will have aired by then.

4) He attends the parties, and socialises with the fans.

5) He topped the poll for section 1.

 

So, how about a bit of openness from the organisers.

 

Thanks

 

 

Zibal

[ddgangel]

Here, Here

[DavidB]

The organisers aren't under any obligation to comment on negotiations. In fact, they very rarely do.

 

However, just to comment on GDL:

 

1) He's appearing elsewhere soon, though that can't be discussed due to forum rules.

2) He's made numerous appearances for Showmasters and they are often looking to bring in new guests.

3) Commenting on negotiations only gives other event organisers the opportunity to get involved.

 

They will not say whether they are going to invite a guest or not. It's unfair on the fans to get their hopes up if something doesn't work out.

 

If anyone then intends on buying a ticket because they PLAN on inviting a guest, I can only say that's a very wrong approach to take. It's a very dangerous thing to do.

 

Just be happy with what you've got, and if he's announced then great. But in the end, it is up to the organisers to sort their event out.

[owlpost1992]

We've got Ben Lloyd Holms for S3 to question, frankly we have more guests lined up then other cons so be thankful.

[Midnight]

GDL was amazing at h2 hope he's at 3

[Zibal01]

We've got Ben Lloyd Holms for S3 to question, frankly we have more guests lined up then other cons so be thankful.

 

I don't even know who Ben Lloyd Holms is. And the other guests are one episode guest stars NOT main characters. And tbh five guests isn't much, esp. compared to Hub 1 & 2.

[Persephone1]

Well I'd love Gareth at the Hub 3 and he's still a huge draw for fans at conventions but it is very unusual to have the same guest at 3 events in a row.

 

And Gareth does do way too many events for his own good. I know he loves doing them but still...

 

But as Eve is pregnant, Kai will be about to become a daddy at that time and John probably only attending one day (if at all) because of his La Cage commitments it would be nice to have Gareth at the event!

 

I don't even know who Ben Lloyd Holms is. And the other guests are one episode guest stars NOT main characters. And tbh five guests isn't much, esp. compared to Hub 1 & 2.

 

Well you will do once CoE has aired and 5 guests is still more than most of the Massive Events conventions advertised at the moment and I believe the minimum number of guests that we are promised at the event.

 

I would like Gareth at the event as much as you but attacking the organisers for lack of openness when they will never ever make negotiations with indiviudal actors open for public consumption and acting entitled when it comes to the number of guests is really really not the best way to go about it.

Edited May 19, 2009 by Persephone1

[debsmadcat111]

Spoke to Gareth on Saturday and he says he wants to come but as yet hasnt been asked!

So *fingers crossed*

[Dallista]

I do think people are making some fair comments. If JB can't come, or only for the Sunday, the guest-list feels a bit lacking, compared to Hub 1 and 2.

[Stepster]

im sorry but i must say gdl was the best thing to happen to the hub 1 n 2 and it would NOT be the same without him. I pray the good ppl at showmasters listen to wht the fans want because the hub 3 without gdl would be like the doctor without his tardis...incomplete. besides ive spoken to loads of fans who r holding off buying tickets till hes announced, so get gdl and watch those remaining tickets fly off the shelves

[DavidB]

Well, as much as I appreciate people having their favourites, I do believe it's called The Hub, not The GDL. It's an event for Torchwood fans, right?

 

If 'fans' don't want to buy tickets to The Hub because GDL isn't there, then that's their choice, and I respect that. But even if he was announced, he could then cancel, and then what?

 

It's never wise to buy a ticket for a convention based on just one guest.

 

Massive Events have a great record of bringing a wide variety of guests to their shows, and they seem to believe in having different lineups where they can, rather than repeating it time and again. Yes, they will get repeat guests after a while, but they try not to overdo it.

 

If GDL is announced, then great. I'm sure people will appreciate it, and no doubt he will sell tickets. But to say The Hub events HAVE to have GDL .. well, I can't agree with that. There's so many people they could get who may be fantastic guests, who people haven't met etc.

 

Anyway, the original point still stands - no one's commenting on guests that aren't signed up. And I've always been a firm believer of leaving the organising up to the organiser, not going to other sources and checking things. Clearly some people like to do their own investigating though, which is a shame.

[Persephone1]

im sorry but i must say gdl was the best thing to happen to the hub 1 n 2 and it would NOT be the same without him. I pray the good ppl at showmasters listen to wht the fans want because the hub 3 without gdl would be like the doctor without his tardis...incomplete. besides ive spoken to loads of fans who r holding off buying tickets till hes announced, so get gdl and watch those remaining tickets fly off the shelves

 

With respect Gareth does tons of events - he's a very easily accesible guest so I'm not sure that his non-annoucnement so far is affecting UK ticket sales all that much as you could easily meet him for less than a standard ticket entrance fee at other events.

 

However, his announcement would boost sales from overseas attendees I suspect - certainly his announcement at a certain American convention had quite the effect on sales.

 

I do think people are making some fair comments. If JB can't come, or only for the Sunday, the guest-list feels a bit lacking, compared to Hub 1 and 2.

 

Well bear in mind that it's still early days yet and we're 5 months away from the event. Lots and lots of time for guests to be announced. Also the insistence on "main cast" at events can signal the death knell for events after a while. If people turn their noses up at any guest cast which is announced then the event will stagnate and die - there is only a finite number of main cast and people can only see them so many times before they adopt the attitude of "already seen him/her.."

 

I want Gareth at the event but as a huge Gareth fan I'm very uncomfortable with the notion of Gareth fans attacking the organisers and dismissing the current line up of guests.

 

How not to win friends and influence people.

[TerraHawk]

I don't even know who Ben Lloyd Holms is. And the other guests are one episode guest stars NOT main characters. And tbh five guests isn't much, esp. compared to Hub 1 & 2.

 

It's the non regulars - and location, that sold it to me. I'd have nothing left for Gareth, Kia or Tom to sign, 4 or 5 for some the others.

 

Burn and Naoko are different as I haven't met them! Still I'd not expect them back so soon either.

[marvola]

I think that good non-regulars make the convention as much as the main cast for me. Matt Rippy, for example, was one of the stars of the Hub 2 and he only appeared in one episode.

 

I've met Gareth a few times now, so I wouldn't be overly disappointed if he wasn't there, in the sense that I wouldn't feel like I was missing out on meeting him.

 

That said, it's going to be the first major TW convention after S3 has aired so I would be disappointed not to have a few main cast members there to talk about it. And with Eve and Kai both expecting babies at that time, by process of elimination, I'd like Gareth there.

 

I understand that SM might not want to trot out the same guests over and over again, but as it is going to be post-S3, I think that makes this one a little different to the first two Hubs.

 

But with that said, I don't really think it's our place to demand or harangue SM for information on their guest negotiations. I'm sure they're aware that Gareth would be a popular choice. They've done exceptional work with getting great guests for the first two Hub conventions so I'd like to believe we can trust them to get good guests for this one as well.

[Blackbird]

I'm one of those who'd really love to have Gareth there, even having been at both previous Hubs, in large part because S3 will have taken place. I do think that it's nice to have a certain continuity of guests, especially main character actors, to balance new ones that are brought in. Because it's a Torchwood convention, it seems more than reasonable that most fans would want to see that, as the show is so character-driven. The guest stars that SM bring in have been fabulous, and the mix of returning and new guests has kept these conventions lively and interesting enough even in these economic times for many of us to keep coming back.

 

All that said, I've no desire to see announcements from SM that they're in negotiations with any given actor, as that really could be damaging on a number of levels. It's perfectly all right to tell the organisers what we'd like to see, especially as they have asked for our opinions on the matter, but let's be reasonable and respectful about how we do it.

 

Showmasters have run brilliant events with Hubs 1 and 2, and I have to say that I'm looking rather wistfully at them as I contemplate my attendance at an upcoming do, wishing that I'd be seeing Mark, Jason, Too Tall and the rest of the SM/ME crew there. ME, if you ever run an event in the U.S. or Canada in a fandom that interests me, I'll be there!

[Never]

Also, he's an a hole!

 

At least he was to me at the Hub 2!

Edited May 19, 2009 by Never

[owlpost1992]

We've got Ben Lloyd Holms for S3 to question, frankly we have more guests lined up then other cons so be thankful.

 

I don't even know who Ben Lloyd Holms is. And the other guests are one episode guest stars NOT main characters. And tbh five guests isn't much, esp. compared to Hub 1 & 2.

 

He plays The Operative in S3. Put it this way the con for Wheldon fans only has 2 guests, we've got 5 already so we are a lot better off. (now pondering if I'm allowed to mention other SM cons )

 

When Hub 2 was announced we only had Tom, Matt and Kai confirmed with Evie a definite maybe so compared to this time pre-Hub 1/2 we are better off.

 

It's never wise to buy a ticket for a convention based on just one guest.

 

That's true but I did buy my Hub 2 ticket on the basis of meeting Tom

 

Don't be rude to SM/ME because they work very hard to make these events memorable and are doing a cracking job, asking them to post about who they are talking to is wrong because negotiations can fail so if you've brought a ticket on the strength of talks and they fall through you'd complain that you didn't get what you wanted.

Edited May 19, 2009 by owl post 1992

[lizzy88]

I'd love for GDL to be at the Hub 3 - I haven't been to either of the previous ones, but I have met him before, and would love to see him there too because of COE and the fact that Eve and Kai probably won't be there. But I agree with not being told anything about possible guests until they are announced - having been involved with a music festival before, I know how hard it is to get bands to confirm, and how many line up changes happen before anything can be announced - and how disappointed fans would have been if they had been announced prematurely - and I'd imagine it would be the same with these guests. Personally, I'd rather not know until an announcement is made as then I can be excited, as opposed to being let down if it doesn't come through. But I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for him coming

[Avengers7]

I'd much rather have Naoki Mori back than GDL.

[TurkFox]

I've lost count of how many times I've met him and he still doesn't remember my name, he's decided to call me Jeff. So, he can only come back if he remembers my name!

[Never]

I'd much rather have Naoki Mori back than GDL.

 

Ditto!

[Purple_Vamp]

I'd much rather have Naoki Mori back than GDL.

 

Ditto!

 

double ditto!

[owlpost1992]

*cough*andBurn*cough*

[Cait_85]

I'd love if GDL were there but I won't be disappointed if he isn't. I got my ticket because I had a great time at Hub2 and wanted to do it again and I'm sure that whoever the guests are this time round I will still have a good time.

 

It's not fair to expect them to comment on possibilities as it puts pressure then both on SM and the potential guest. SM will tell us things in their own good time, it's not up to us to rush them.

[Zibal01]

I think you'll find that my first comment was that I already have my ticket, so I'm not going to be buying on the basis of one guest.

 

I wasn't being rude to the organisers, but to be in negotiations with a person you actually have to ask them first. Yes? Also, had they asked him, I wouldn't have posted anything until he was announced.

 

I went to the Hub on the basis of GDL being confirmed, and bought my Hub 2 tickets at the event, and I'm pretty sure Gareth said he would be doing the Hub 2 at the time or within days, but my memory could be deceiving me!

 

Also, with S3 having been aired it gives the opportunity to discuss character evolution with the actors. You can't do that if they're not there. There's also the skits - how do they do that if they have none of the main cast there?

 

I don't see the point in having Burn or Naoko back as they'll have been out of the show for over a series. You could have them, but not as main cast.

 

I'm sure the guests who are guest stars in the show will be wonderful, but if John's other commitments prevent him from attending, we are looking at a Torchwood convention with no members of the Torchwood team - and to me, that doesn't make sense!

 

Oh, and a small point to "Never". Gareth is not "a hole". He had a special small size band t-shirt made up for my daughter as she loves the band (and GDL!), and gave her it for her birthday.