Mfahey79 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 hours ago, D-C-A said: I know Fantom dare not touch using Clarke, and even then as tends to happen in most of the cases to which he stands accused their is no paper trail which can definitively confirm or absolve his part in anything. Spacey being booked from what I remember was extremely controversial, and I can’t remember if that went ahead or not. but my thoughts on Clarke are innocent until proven guilty but at the same time 20 is an extremely high number to try and deny that many accusations of wrong doing, so it is at the very least safe to not book him for an event, because giving him the benefit of the doubt is one thing, but feeding him a large audience to possibly allow another situation to occur is another entirely. Thats the crux of it, he hasnt been found innocent. Just not enough evidence to proceed with the case. Which doesnt clear him at all, especially with the amount of people coming forward is a considerable amount to all be wrong. I think the first event Spacey was booked for, he was withdrawn, but he definatly did attend another after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 8 hours ago, D-C-A said: unfortunately you do get people who will act like political views shouldn’t get you in trouble, like when a Star Wars actress was fired because of some particularly nasty words and views on certain topics and people acted like it was okay for her to say this, when in reality maybe the brand doesn’t want association with such things, and with Doctor who with 61 years and going there is sadly going to be one or two unsavoury individuals who will have caused trouble, said something or done something that makes them undesirable to us, and they will get removed or their works stopped, only for people to act like it’s only the fans missing out when more atrocious situations are occurring that can be contributed as a direct result of their fame or position. Certain comments, or actions done now, would have gotten the actors fired and potentially the show being quietly dropped. Patrick Troughtons initial thoughts on how he wanted to play the role, would have had the show hidden in the archives rather than celebrating 60 years had it gone that route And for all the stories that are about equality and racial tolerance, we have the Celestial Toymaker and Talons that are questionable with current viewpoints for example Edited February 9 by Mfahey79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 hours ago, D-C-A said: End of the day how someone behaves towards you and how they behave towards someone else are 2 entirely different things, I react positively to most people if I’m not over stimulated or feeling threatened, but theirs one or two people I will brush off and give a cold shoulder. and besides Anthony Head is male and would therefore be less likely to be on the receiving end of abuse of that nature, and sad to say a lot of stories are only being dredged up nowadays because the environment is open for them to do so, back then you said anything that was it career ruined. You say that, but Joss wasnt adverse to abusing James Marsters verbally as well. For people like Joss It's about the power they hold over their victim, the others were to a degree new to the industry so, he thought he could get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 49 minutes ago, Mfahey79 said: Thats the crux of it, he hasnt been found innocent. Just not enough evidence to proceed with the case. Which doesnt clear him at all, especially with the amount of people coming forward is a considerable amount to all be wrong. I think the first event Spacey was booked for, he was withdrawn, but he definatly did attend another after It’s upsetting that despite it being confirmed that he did what he did both by Anthony Rapp and by Spacey himself events decided he was worth having, does say a lot when he was one of a few that was proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 27 minutes ago, Mfahey79 said: Certain comments, or actions done now, would have gotten the actors fired and potentially the show being quietly dropped. Patrick Troughtons initial thoughts on how he wanted to play the role, would have had the show hidden in the archives rather than celebrating 60 years had it gone that route And for all the stories that are about equality and racial tolerance, we have the Celestial Toymaker and Talons that are questionable with current viewpoints for example Oh yeah there is a lot that could have changed history for the worse, makes me wonder if Troughton was serious or not as even in the 1960s there was a serious notion that blackface was significantly wrong, even then the notorious “black and white minstrel show” was being called for cancellation except the BBC producer said “why ruin everyone’s fun on account of a few” or something along the same lines. Talons is somewhat indefensible on many points I feel the dialogue by the contemporary’s and even Magnus Greel is appropriate for setting, but not for the show, Leelas usage should have been met by immediate scolding by the Doctor and the use of an actor in Yellow Face was a horrible choice that is inexcusable, although I did once joke that Burt Kwork must have been busy at that time. ”the Celestial Toymaker” has the one line which even the BBC has removed and apologised for, the choice of outfit for the Toymaker may seem a bit out there but I see it more as stock given John Wiles had blow the budget on “the Ark” but the term Celestial which does have meanings in racial language was always intended to be a reference to his power not his attire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 36 minutes ago, Mfahey79 said: You say that, but Joss wasnt adverse to abusing James Marsters verbally as well. For people like Joss It's about the power they hold over their victim, the others were to a degree new to the industry so, he thought he could get away with it. I admit I’m not completely versed in that mess of what happened with Joss, I just assumed it was the industry standard of harassing female stars, but I suppose that’s not standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, D-C-A said: Talons is somewhat indefensible on many points I feel the dialogue by the contemporary’s and even Magnus Greel is appropriate for setting, but not for the show, Leelas usage should have been met by immediate scolding by the Doctor and the use of an actor in Yellow Face was a horrible choice that is inexcusable, although I did once joke that Burt Kwork must have been busy at that time. In much the same way in if you needed a stereotypical Welsh character in the 60's and 70's you could always rely on Talfryn Thomas turning up I did love that Last of the Summer Wine inverted the hes from the east joke for Burt. in that he was from Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 Just now, Mfahey79 said: In much the same way in if you needed a stereotypical Welsh character in the 60's and 70's you could always rely on Talfryn Thomas turning up I did love that Last of the Summer Wine inverted the hes from the east joke for Burt. in that he was from Hull In so many commentaries have I heard Thomas be referred to as the BBCs resident Welshman, and that they used the actor they did for Driver evans in “The web of fear” presumably because Thomas was busy that week. kwok had one hell of a career with Doctor who arguably being the smallest blip on it compared to everything else he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Well in a turn of good fortune (after having my empty bag nicked at work) I’ve managed to bag myself a copy of “Day of the Daleks” signed by Katy Manning and Terrance Dicks, and an insert of “Frontier in Space” signed by Stephen Thorne not the story or even particular item I would have chosen for Mr Thorne but even then what can I say beggars aren’t allowed to be choosers, being honest if I could find Thorne on an insert for “the Daemons” now that would be a score and a half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 hours ago, D-C-A said: Well in a turn of good fortune (after having my empty bag nicked at work) I’ve managed to bag myself a copy of “Day of the Daleks” signed by Katy Manning and Terrance Dicks, and an insert of “Frontier in Space” signed by Stephen Thorne not the story or even particular item I would have chosen for Mr Thorne but even then what can I say beggars aren’t allowed to be choosers, being honest if I could find Thorne on an insert for “the Daemons” now that would be a score and a half Bet when you saw that you went Ogron then. I'll get my coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On a more serious note, both nice finds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 21 hours ago, D-C-A said: Well in a turn of good fortune (after having my empty bag nicked at work) I’ve managed to bag myself a copy of “Day of the Daleks” signed by Katy Manning and Terrance Dicks, and an insert of “Frontier in Space” signed by Stephen Thorne not the story or even particular item I would have chosen for Mr Thorne but even then what can I say beggars aren’t allowed to be choosers, being honest if I could find Thorne on an insert for “the Daemons” now that would be a score and a half Sorry, missed the bit about the bag. As annoying as that is, at least it was empty and didn't have anything important in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 21 hours ago, Mfahey79 said: Sorry, missed the bit about the bag. As annoying as that is, at least it was empty and didn't have anything important in it Yeah problem was it was my bag of 6 years and had a very important and worthless to anyone but myself pin badge on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2025 at 11:09 PM, Mfahey79 said: Bet when you saw that you went Ogron then. I'll get my coat Get my coat as well I just found a booklet for “The Dæmons” signed by Stephen Thorne and Terrance Dicks (well Katy Manning as well but she’s already on the cover with Levene and Franklin) so I went Azal one hell of a find… but seriously another good find which I think has pushed that set into the same level for me as “the Time monster” the only other set I have Manning, Levene and Franklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 11 hours ago, D-C-A said: Yeah problem was it was my bag of 6 years and had a very important and worthless to anyone but myself pin badge on it Sorry to hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 11 hours ago, D-C-A said: Get my coat as well I just found a booklet for “The Dæmons” signed by Stephen Thorne and Terrance Dicks (well Katy Manning as well but she’s already on the cover with Levene and Franklin) so I went Azal one hell of a find… but seriously another good find which I think has pushed that set into the same level for me as “the Time monster” the only other set I have Manning, Levene and Franklin. I think we have dug deep into the Devils Hump of puns. But that is a cracking find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 12 hours ago, Mfahey79 said: I think we have dug deep into the Devils Hump of puns. But that is a cracking find any further and we'd be in ruins, but yeah now adds some credibility to the set, its just a shame because now i can't get the principal guest star on the set because she's passed away and the cover is signed and as is the booklet. Its the same how i now need Michael Killgarriff on my "Frontier in Space" as i have Thorne on that, so i'll have both First and Second Ogrons, is Rick Lester Still alive because then i can have all three credited Ogrons. if anything it just makes choosing sets from Seasons 8,9&10 tricky because Katy Manning is in all of them and given how frequent she is at events i try to find something signed by a deceased individual, if you search any DVD cover or booklet from those periods online you end up with Katy Manning on half of them, to where i've had a browse and 9/10 Manning or Levene, occasionally a combination of the two, but even then i prefer getting Manning in person for her stories about each serials filming, specifically learning she and Jon Pertwee went on holiday together and Jon may have been in drag during said Holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Thats the sad fact of Jon's era, that we have lost so many of the main actors involved. So you will find a lot from Katy and to a lesser degree Richard Franklin, as I have discovered when trying to source more stamp covers, it is primarily Richard who signed these. John Levene is doing an event next month though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Just now, Mfahey79 said: Thats the sad fact of Jon's era, that we have lost so many of the main actors involved. So you will find a lot from Katy and to a lesser degree Richard Franklin, as I have discovered when trying to source more stamp covers, it is primarily Richard who signed these. John Levene is doing an event next month though I’ve got the event booked as John is signing soon after Season 7 is released which makes him the primary goal for the set as so many people are gone, only two companions out of 6 are left, no main villains of any description, most of who you can hope for from Season 7 is UNIT soldiers, one director and one floor manager best my memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 10 hours ago, D-C-A said: I’ve got the event booked as John is signing soon after Season 7 is released which makes him the primary goal for the set as so many people are gone, only two companions out of 6 are left, no main villains of any description, most of who you can hope for from Season 7 is UNIT soldiers, one director and one floor manager best my memory The one story that had been most fertile for actors in the last couple of years is The Mind of Evil, which makes me regret not getting Michael Carter and Les Conrad on this cover whilst I had the chance during the summer show a few years back. I stand by my decision at the time. But again this episode has taken a battering when it comes to actors passing away in the last year, with Les Conrad, Richard Franklin and Nick Hobbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Just now, Mfahey79 said: The one story that had been most fertile for actors in the last couple of years is The Mind of Evil, which makes me regret not getting Michael Carter and Les Conrad on this cover whilst I had the chance during the summer show a few years back. I stand by my decision at the time. But again this episode has taken a battering when it comes to actors passing away in the last year, with Les Conrad, Richard Franklin and Nick Hobbs I have Carter and Stevens on said set, but not getting Hobbs was a mistake and Conrad was at a time when both A. Money wasn’t as good and B. As we’ve often said probably would have been too much on the old soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Funnily enough I got reminded of something as I accidentally got sent back to the first page when the only guests announced for said convention were Baker, McCoy and Ernie Hudson, which had me both laughing and annoyed that Hudson never turned up to any event, good thing I never paid for a diamond pass, even then my plan was to try and chance it on one of the days with cash to avoid paying more than I felt was worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) But 24 minutes ago, Mfahey79 said: The one story that had been most fertile for actors in the last couple of years is The Mind of Evil, which makes me regret not getting Michael Carter and Les Conrad on this cover whilst I had the chance during the summer show a few years back. I stand by my decision at the time. But again this episode has taken a battering when it comes to actors passing away in the last year, with Les Conrad, Richard Franklin and Nick Hobbs But in much the same way we question, should we or shouldn't get someones autograph, whilst at a Star Trek Destination, I had my Caves of Androzani with me, but saw how much Maurice Roeves was suffering so passed on the opportunity Edited February 15 by Mfahey79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfahey79 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 28 minutes ago, D-C-A said: I have Carter and Stevens on said set, but not getting Hobbs was a mistake and Conrad was at a time when both A. Money wasn’t as good and B. As we’ve often said probably would have been too much on the old soul. 100% it was one convention too far for him, as he clearly was only relying on muscle memory. Speaking from personal experience seeing it first hand, there is no way that I would put someone close to me through that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-C-A Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 34 minutes ago, Mfahey79 said: But But in much the same way we question, should we or shouldn't get someones autograph, whilst at a Star Trek Destination, I had my Caves of Androzani with me, but saw how much Maurice Roeves was suffering so passed on the opportunity I think most events have enough decency to them that they wouldn’t knowingly book guests who aren’t capable of signing or aren’t there altogether, it really in a number of ways hurts their reputation and can’t be upsetting knowing that these people who may just want to be there to see fans aren’t being told that maybe they need to slow it down and are being exploited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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