Lost Season 5 - Episode Fourteen

[jakeblue]

I guess it means that whatever happened happened and that Daniel couldn’t change things in the way he thought he could. If you think of it as follows I guess it makes sense –

 

 

 

Everything that has happened will always happen and nothing can change that. The plane always crashes in 2004 as a result of Desmond not pushing the button. The reason he is there pushing the button is because of the accident which is going to happen/has happened in 1977 and this accident can never be stopped from happening as it has already happened in the world of 1977. Similarly the Losties ending up in 1977 must also have always happened as Kate takes Ben to be cured by the Others and they send him back to the Dharma people which leads eventually to all the Dharma people being killed by the others. Had the Losties not been on the island in 1977, Sayid wouldn’t have shot Ben as a child and Kate would never have saved him therefore he would never have joined the Others and Dharma would still be on the island in 2004.

 

 

 

The interesting thing is how do the Losties get back to 2004 when the original plane crashed. If they have to live on the Island from 1977 onwards then this means that they are already there when the plane crashes and consequently at that time there would be two of them on the island at that point, the original 2004 crash survivors and the Losties who have jumped back to 1977 and have now aged by 27 years. Alternately they could be killed during the 27 year period as this would not effect the original timeline of the crash or the jump back to the 70s which will always happen as the Island exists outside of the usual boundaries of time and therefore would not effect them living and growing in the outside world. Another possibility is that the Island jumps them forward in time again or that they find themselves bouncing around here there and everywhere and not getting any older like Richard who doesn’t age. Whichever one of these options is correct they still couldn’t meet or interact with the version of themselves who crash on the Island in 2004 as this would change things and consequently the path of time would not necessarily run to the path that it has to.

 

 

 

That’s why Daniels mum sent Daniel to the Island as she knew she had to, if she didn’t then things would change and she has no idea what that would do to her or anyone else in her present which is 2007. For instance, if you went back in time and didn’t work for the company you do then not only would this change your future leading to the point where you jumped back in time but it would also effect the time lines of everyone you’ve met and worked with during that period of time. Also someone else would have taken your job here and their timeline and that of everyone they come into contact with would change too. It’s the ripple effect where the most significant change would be around you as the central ripple and as the rings get bigger but decrease in strength other peoples lives would be changed to a lesser extent the further away from you they are.

 

 

 

The random factor of the whole thing now however is that Daniel has put into Jack and Kates heads about the bomb being able to change things so that they never crash and subsequently never end up in 1977. Could they try to put this plan into action and would it work anyway? Im thinking that it wouldn’t work because if the plane never crashed then the boat would never have gone looking for the Losties. Therefore Daniel would never have been on the Island and would never have gone back to the 1950s to see the bomb and repair the leak in the first place. This would mean that the bomb would have continued to leak and then caused a major problem long before 1977 and the whole history of the Island would be changed. Similarly if they never crashed on the Island then the lives of the Losties would be changed and going back to the ripple effect the lives of everyone else around them would be changed too. Kate would have gone to prision and her guard wouldn’t have been killed, this would then effect everyone he met being alive rather than dead etc…….

 

 

 

Clearly ive thought about this far too much and am probably a long long way from the truth but that’s my thoughts on it and im sticking to it.

[Christoff]

I guess it means that whatever happened happened and that Daniel couldn’t change things in the way he thought he could. If you think of it as follows I guess it makes sense –

 

 

 

Everything that has happened will always happen and nothing can change that. The plane always crashes in 2004 as a result of Desmond not pushing the button. The reason he is there pushing the button is because of the accident which is going to happen/has happened in 1977 and this accident can never be stopped from happening as it has already happened in the world of 1977. Similarly the Losties ending up in 1977 must also have always happened as Kate takes Ben to be cured by the Others and they send him back to the Dharma people which leads eventually to all the Dharma people being killed by the others. Had the Losties not been on the island in 1977, Sayid wouldn’t have shot Ben as a child and Kate would never have saved him therefore he would never have joined the Others and Dharma would still be on the island in 2004.

 

 

 

The interesting thing is how do the Losties get back to 2004 when the original plane crashed. If they have to live on the Island from 1977 onwards then this means that they are already there when the plane crashes and consequently at that time there would be two of them on the island at that point, the original 2004 crash survivors and the Losties who have jumped back to 1977 and have now aged by 27 years. Alternately they could be killed during the 27 year period as this would not effect the original timeline of the crash or the jump back to the 70s which will always happen as the Island exists outside of the usual boundaries of time and therefore would not effect them living and growing in the outside world. Another possibility is that the Island jumps them forward in time again or that they find themselves bouncing around here there and everywhere and not getting any older like Richard who doesn’t age. Whichever one of these options is correct they still couldn’t meet or interact with the version of themselves who crash on the Island in 2004 as this would change things and consequently the path of time would not necessarily run to the path that it has to.

 

 

 

That’s why Daniels mum sent Daniel to the Island as she knew she had to, if she didn’t then things would change and she has no idea what that would do to her or anyone else in her present which is 2007. For instance, if you went back in time and didn’t work for the company you do then not only would this change your future leading to the point where you jumped back in time but it would also effect the time lines of everyone you’ve met and worked with during that period of time. Also someone else would have taken your job here and their timeline and that of everyone they come into contact with would change too. It’s the ripple effect where the most significant change would be around you as the central ripple and as the rings get bigger but decrease in strength other peoples lives would be changed to a lesser extent the further away from you they are.

 

 

 

The random factor of the whole thing now however is that Daniel has put into Jack and Kates heads about the bomb being able to change things so that they never crash and subsequently never end up in 1977. Could they try to put this plan into action and would it work anyway? Im thinking that it wouldn’t work because if the plane never crashed then the boat would never have gone looking for the Losties. Therefore Daniel would never have been on the Island and would never have gone back to the 1950s to see the bomb and repair the leak in the first place. This would mean that the bomb would have continued to leak and then caused a major problem long before 1977 and the whole history of the Island would be changed. Similarly if they never crashed on the Island then the lives of the Losties would be changed and going back to the ripple effect the lives of everyone else around them would be changed too. Kate would have gone to prision and her guard wouldn’t have been killed, this would then effect everyone he met being alive rather than dead etc…….

 

 

 

Clearly ive thought about this far too much and am probably a long long way from the truth but that’s my thoughts on it and im sticking to it.

 

Nice post