Lynskyn1

We are just fans, but have been told how these agents are now working. It not too hard to grasp is it? After all we see it everyday in sport.

OK - we'll chill and see what happens, but as a final point this should have been the scenario that happened. 1. Agent approaches star and says 'you're in X next month doing this event. But there is another one in the same city, and I'm sure I can get you a better fee for that. What do you think?' 2. Star says'OK, go for it nothing to lose' (except integrity) 3. Agent approaches 2nd event organiser says ' so and so is appearing at X next month, but if you offer $$$$$$ then they will appear at your event. What do you think? 4. Organiser says 'Go take a run and jump' Integrity of organiser 100% and if they all told agents to do this the only unhappy people in the world would be the agents. Nuff said

Please read what I said carefully. Yes I'm challenging the morals of the stars if they chasing the mighty $, but also they organisers if they accept guests who they know have already committed to another event. Once this starts to happen then it's open warfare and the main losers, us the fans, because if it happens once to set a precident be sure as hell that it will spiral.

Actually, it's not a pointless point. I accept it. Some people are just being passionate, and they know who they are. I do have respect for these people, and hope that when everything is known, they will understand what is happening here. If I came across as disrespectful to them, it was not my intention and I apologise. I also know though, that there are a couple of people on here who are ONLY here to stir up trouble, as they have a vested interest in doing so. ( And just for the record, I do not put Rowan or Woodyelf in that catagory ). I hope things will become more clear for you all very soon. Mark I hope you are not including me in this catergory. My sole intention in coming here was to make my point about how disgusted I feel about this whole situation. Perhaps it's just me but the whole thing with agents and selling out to the highest bidder IMHO stinks. And if SM are being offered guests by said agents and accepting them, knowing full well that they are committed to another event, then as I said earlier, where are the morals.

No as with SM the guests are only introduced on the event page as and when they commit. Hence the initial guests were posted in FEBRUARY when they committed. Since then a couple have unfortunately had to withdraw because of work commitments which happens as we all know, and have no problems with. We all have to work. But this situation is totally different. How would you feel if an agent came along and started poaching guests which you were about to see at an upcoming SM event. And answer truthfully, because if this is the way that things are to be in the future, then it may happen to SM as easily as it has done at the other event this time.

But that's the point isn't it, the organiser of the other con has done nothing wrong. He has had the rug pulled from underneath him by having not just one, but two of his guests approached to renege on their agreements and join LFCC. If you can't see that this is wrong, then IMHO the whole world is losing it's morals.

Well I'm certainly not an organiser, I'm not that rich LOL. I am as I said going to that other con, and one of the reasons for doing so was because Chris Judge was attending. Indeed I was at the previous Stargate event when his video diary message was played. He was at that point making a firm committment to come, contract or otherwise, like I say I'm not the organiser so I'm not privy to that information. But this committment was firm until said 3rd party acting on behalf of SM got involved. So to say we that are attending are angry at these underhanded tactics is an understatement.

Perhaps the reason we have all joined is that we are incensed as to what has being going on, and have come here, to the board of the organisation who in our opinion have caused the problem to have our say.

Firstly apologies - yes it is just one further guest which has been approached, it was misread. However, my point here is that once this 'poaching' starts then we as fans will be the ones who suffer. Everything will be down to the highest bidder, and guess who will have to foot the bill. Not the guests, not these so-called agents, and certainly not the con organisers, it will be you and I. I'm not neccesarily blaming SM here, they may not have instigated this, but if the situation develops how they wish then they will certainly become the beneficiaries. The lady in question how has made these approaches is not doing this for the good of you and I, she is seeking to make money, and it will come from our pockets. I have no problem with people earning an honest living, but IMHO this has been underhanded and devious. Knowing that the 2 guests in question had aleady committed to the other con, and then trying to induce them away with a bigger fee, to me that is devious. Reminds me of gazumping in house pruchases in the 70s and 80s, and we all know how everyone felt about that.

I think that both the members you are attacking here have raised good points. If SM have done nothing wrong then why is it that not just Chris Judge, but 2 other guests going to the other con have been approached by a 3rd party to renege on their appearances, and attend your event. Whilst you may not be doing the 'poaching', for want of a better term yourselves, you are either employing or using a 3rd party who is trying to obtain guests on your behalf. IMHO this makes neither good business or moral sense, as can be seen by the reactions it has caused. Many attendees of the other con, and yes I am one, are now stating that they will never again attend another SM event because of this. They always say what goes around, comes around, and if that is the case, how will SM feel should this kind of 'cut-throat' business practice be used on yourselves in the future. Pretty p*ssed would be my guess.