natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Dumb, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjbleming Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, wjbleming said: No. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjbleming Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, natedammit said: Why? Because being popular is 'cool'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, wjbleming said: Because being popular is 'cool'. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjbleming Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, natedammit said: No. Didn't say it was true. But it's the reason used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, wjbleming said: Didn't say it was true. But it's the reason used. So it's dumb, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Friendly Dalek Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I think it is good, as films in genres such as sci-fi often get overlooked by the academy in favour of dramas. This new category will allow those films a fair chance to win an Oscar. For example, I doubt Infinity War will be nominated for much outside of the effects categories, but this new award could have allowed it the chance to win (although I think I read that this category won't be implemented until 2020, but you get my point). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, The Friendly Dalek said: I think it is good, as films in genres such as sci-fi often get overlooked by the academy in favour of dramas. This new category will allow those films a fair chance to win an Oscar. For example, I doubt Infinity War will be nominated for much outside of the effects categories, but this new award could have allowed it the chance to win (although I think I read that this category won't be implemented until 2020, but you get my point). Aww, poor Avengers, they'll have to make do with 2 billion dollars and a half a dozen technical nominations/wins. Anyway, A:IW isn't winning this award (it is coming in for the next ceremony, apparently), Black Panther is. Everyone knows that. It's the only reason why the award exists. That and the terrible ratings the award show has been getting. What about the quality films that get overlooked by the public? They all get a boost from being Best Picture nominated, or even being in the discussion as potential nominees, and now they'll be overshadowed in the headlines by the films that are in the headlines all the time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Friendly Dalek Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, natedammit said: Aww, poor Avengers, they'll have to make do with 2 billion dollars and a half a dozen technical nominations/wins. Anyway, A:IW isn't winning this award (it is coming in for the next ceremony, apparently), Black Panther is. Everyone knows that. It's the only reason why the award exists. That and the terrible ratings the award show has been getting. What about the quality films that get overlooked by the public? They all get a boost from being Best Picture nominated, or even being in the discussion as potential nominees, and now they'll be overshadowed in the headlines by the films that are in the headlines all the time anyway. The traditional Best Picture category will still exist, so those films that may be overlooked by the general public can and most likely will be nominated for that. For example, "You were never really here". I hope that will get nominated for best picture, and people who are interested in the Oscars will still look into what has been nominated for that award. Thus allowing more popular and mainstream films to win the new award, and these lesser known films to succeed in the best picture category. I think I made some sense there. Edited August 13, 2018 by The Friendly Dalek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Friendly Dalek Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Well it looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree in regards to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, The Friendly Dalek said: The traditional Best Picture category will still exist, so those films that may be overlooked by the general public can and most likely will be nominated for that. For example, "You were never really here". I hope that will get nominated for best picture, and people who are interested in the Oscars will still look into what has been nominated for that award. Thus allowing more popular and mainstream films to win the new award, and these lesser known films to succeed in the best picture category. I think I made some sense there. You did make sense. Buuuuut, think of all the headlines and publicity garnered this year by 'The Shape of Water' (and 'Three Billboards'...) and how much that will have helped their sales. Imagine if 'You Were Never Really Here' wins Best Picture next year - all the headlines the next day will be about Black Panther and 'YWNRH' will be a footnote. It makes less money, and films like it become less likely to be made. Also think of 'Get Out'. It was a big deal that it was nominated for Best Picture last year - and evidence that the Academy's attempts to diversify their voters was working. It was the 15th highest US grossing film in 2017, surely that would qualify it for the 'Popular Film' category? It's highly plausible that it would not have been nominated for 'Best Picture' at all if the new category had existed this year - much like animations and foreign films are overlooked because they have their own categories. 45 minutes ago, The Friendly Dalek said: Well it looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree in regards to this. I agree to nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjbleming Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, natedammit said: I agree to nothing But if you're agreeing to disagreeing then in the end you're disagreeing with everything, so you should be happy to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, wjbleming said: But if you're agreeing to disagreeing then in the end you're disagreeing with everything, so you should be happy to disagree. I couldn't disagree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjbleming Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, natedammit said: I couldn't disagree more. I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, wjbleming said: I concur. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomeroSavini Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) Worst award ever! Mind you all Oscars are rigged anyway, great films dont win because of politics etc... if you dont have tonnes of cash to promote your film you do not win either....bribe bribe bribe... But this new award is hilarious. Basically its so Black Panther can win. As it was so crap its never gonna win a real award. Edited August 14, 2018 by RomeroSavini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 Black Panther was not "crap". It was a very entertaining and well crafted (if a tad predictable) genre film, which worked on deeper thematic levels that were never going to affect you or I as much as some others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen_Sindel Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I didn't think I would ever say this... what the Bear said. It wasn't my Kind of movie and unlike let's say Pirates of the Caribbean probably not one I would watch a couple of times. But it was entertaining for sure, and well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Queen_Sindel said: what the Bear said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjbleming Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Aaaaaaaand it's gone to his head already.... Edited August 15, 2018 by wjbleming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Name Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I agree that the plot wasn't anything ground breaking, but it was an enjoyable action movie with some great, memorable characters. I have already watched it multiple times, and am sure I will watch it many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomeroSavini Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I disagree vastly on Black Panther. The acting was dreadful a lot of the time, the direlogue was shocking, the action was poor and the effects work was laughable - a total CGI abomination in places. The end fight was literally a painful thing to watch such dodgy effects, like someone playing a Playstation 4 game. So crap for me. Anyone lauding it because of politically fueled matters and ignoring its flaws, well each to their own :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedammit Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, RomeroSavini said: Anyone lauding it because of politically fueled matters and ignoring its flaws, well each to their own Everyone has pointed out the flaws they thought it had. You're the first to mention "politically fuelled matters" in this thread, which is possibly quite instructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomeroSavini Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, natedammit said: You're the first to mention "politically fuelled matters" in this thread, which is possibly quite instructive. Not at all instructive in any way at all. Oscars = Politics. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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