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DavidB    1,955

Well, I'm not really interested in anyone claiming they're completely right or whatever. It comes across as a bit rude really. I don't mind discussing the possiblities but stating something like that isn't necessary.

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Dukegirl01    0

Ignorant twit....wrestlers are highly trained SPORTSMEN ( and ladies ). I know plenty of wrestlers and they are more sportsmen than most 'sportsmen' !

Try telling a wrestler to his face that he's a dancer !! I won't mourn at your funeral !! :wub:

 

 

Sportsmen and sportswomen are participants in competition to determine an unknown result.

 

How can wrestling be a competition when the moves are choreographed and the results are predetermined?

 

Yes they do a lot of training and yes they are athletic. But they do not participate in a sport so no they are not sportsmen or sportswomen.

 

And Dukegirl01 before you start calling people ‘ignorant twits’ maybe you should meet a few dancers. They are some of the most athletic and strongest people you could ever meet, able to perform through unimaginable pain. Unlike wrestlers who fake injury in an attempt to create drama.

Well....I used to be a dancer so I can comment with some authority. As for the wrestling...I've done that too but only gave up when I badly damaged my spine.( Admitted that was a riding accident, not a match.)

I also happen to know a lot of wrestlers and have seen them work through some terrible injuries. My ex finished a match with a broken elbow, a friend finished with a fractured skull and another with a broken neck !! Tell me that's not working through unimaginable pain.

Plus, there are many sports where it's been proved that people have 'thrown' matches/competitions thus meaning it was a predetermined result but it's still considered a sport.

This is why I called you that....you obviously know nothing about wrestling.

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Well, I'm not really interested in anyone claiming they're completely right or whatever. It comes across as a bit rude really. I don't mind discussing the possiblities but stating something like that isn't necessary.

Well I'm not interested in people spouting their opinions on subjects that they know nothing about. It comes across as a bit ignorant really. And as I recall you never once discussed the possibilities. Someone else started this thread and you pretty much told them that Wrestling guests weren't a draw and that the UK's previous wrestling conventions weren't successful enough to warent them, which is blatantly wrong!

 

Please excuse me if I run to the defense of one of my main passions. The last time I checked, pretty much everyone on this forum is a geek of some kind and have probably spent a good portion of their lives having to defend their interests. I really don't expect to see something like wrestling shot down as an inadequacy as it has been on this forum!!! Especially from a moderator!!! I HATE Twilight, but I don't come on here and bash all the Twilight fans. That just wouldn't be cricket now would it!!!

 

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nosfer2    23

To quote Star Wars, "This bickering is pointless". Jason has stated on many occasions that if someone wants to host their own event he is willing to give them help and advice to set it up. If you're so sure that a wrestling event will be a success, why not put your money where your mouth is?

 

I hope I'm not offending anyone with this post, I just think that the discussion isn't really going anywhere.

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Count Fooku    401

Seems to me there is an ideal way to settle this. Get all the people who disagree over this subject to participate in some sort of royal rumble type thing at sportsmania. Whoever wins gets to decide if we have wrestling guests at a future show.

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snot182    114

Seems to me there is an ideal way to settle this. Get all the people who disagree over this subject to participate in some sort of royal rumble type thing at sportsmania. Whoever wins gets to decide if we have wrestling guests at a future show.

 

this made me laugh

 

especially as Mario is a big lad, I wouldnt take him on or be able to pick him up, Haha

 

I do certainly think there is a place for Wrestling guests at an event like these, the are they sports or are they entertainment debate is the pointless one

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DavidB    1,955

If anyone believes SO much in a wrestling event, then I'd absolutely love to see them run one, and good luck to them.

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snot182    114

If anyone believes SO much in a wrestling event, then I'd absolutely love to see them run one, and good luck to them.

 

there has been a few successful wrestling cons over here though dude, good line ups as well

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DavidB    1,955

Of course there have, and I'm not denying that. I'm a huge fan, but I'm also aware of the companies that have had financial issues and put MANY fans off from attending. And I'm also aware of a number of companies that have tried and failed due to low ticket costs etc.

 

So it's just not as simple as saying that they're a sure-fire hit. There's so many things to take into consideration, as with any convention.

 

It's easy enough for people to sit and say that things would be a guaranteed success etc when it's someone elses money. The number of guests you get people requesting on here, saying "Jason they'll make you loads!" etc, and then they don't even break even. I'm not convinced there's ever a guaranteed success in this business.

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If anyone believes SO much in a wrestling event, then I'd absolutely love to see them run one, and good luck to them.

That was never the point though was it. No one was ever challenging Jason or Mark on their events or that they should host a wrestling event or wrestling guests, my beef is with ignorant non-wrestling fanboys jumping on to a conversation giving their ignorant opinions, trying to look educated on a subject that they obviously know nothing about. If I had the money, which I honestly don't, I would love to host a wrestling show and I would giggle my ar$e off all the way to the bank!

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snot182    114

Of course there have, and I'm not denying that. I'm a huge fan, but I'm also aware of the companies that have had financial issues and put MANY fans off from attending. And I'm also aware of a number of companies that have tried and failed due to low ticket costs etc.

 

So it's just not as simple as saying that they're a sure-fire hit. There's so many things to take into consideration, as with any convention.

 

It's easy enough for people to sit and say that things would be a guaranteed success etc when it's someone elses money. The number of guests you get people requesting on here, saying "Jason they'll make you loads!" etc, and then they don't even break even. I'm not convinced there's ever a guaranteed success in this business.

 

i think they would do better with some wrestling guests at a CM or LFCC than they would do with some other guests they have had in the past though, ceratinly better to and 1 or 2 to a show than run just wrestling specific show

 

I know they dont want to lose money but Im sure that does happen, why does it not matter when they lose on a Who guest or a Star Wars guest but they wouldnt risk it on a wrestling guest?

 

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying, SM should give me what I want, Im just putting across an opinion y'know?

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18blue78    83

That was never the point though was it. No one was ever challenging Jason or Mark on their events or that they should host a wrestling event or wrestling guests, my beef is with ignorant non-wrestling fanboys jumping on to a conversation giving their ignorant opinions, trying to look educated on a subject that they obviously know nothing about.

 

Well, in the interest of keeping this forum a friendly place, how about we just agree to disagree before the name calling gets someone in trouble with the moderators eh?

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That was never the point though was it. No one was ever challenging Jason or Mark on their events or that they should host a wrestling event or wrestling guests, my beef is with ignorant non-wrestling fanboys jumping on to a conversation giving their ignorant opinions, trying to look educated on a subject that they obviously know nothing about.

 

Well, in the interest of keeping this forum a friendly place, how about we just agree to disagree before the name calling gets someone in trouble with the moderators eh?

I agree :D

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DavidB    1,955

I'm just not a big fan of a statement like "As an expert on Wrestling I can unequivocally tell you that you are wrong" ..

 

I think if we're going to be discussing with anyone - whether it be those who are wrongly against you, or actually on the same side like I am - you probably want to be a little more open with the discussion. That's all :D

 

It's clear that you're very passionate about it, which is great.

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Unfortunately successful in the US doesn't always translate well over here - for example, horror is huge over there but not as popular here.

 

A number of wrestling cons have happened over here but they've never been huge.

Because you are so quick to forget, this was your original quote.

 

My argument with you is that Wrestling is MASSIVE in this country.

 

Also, the number of Wrestling cons that have happened over here that you have claimed were never huge, were indeed HUGE!!! As far as specialised conventions go, as aposed to more general shows ala Collectormania and London Film and Comic Con, they were arguably bigger than any other con I have attended in the UK. In fact, the only cons I have heard of that are apparently bigger are the Twilight and L Word cons.

 

So, I stick by my original statement that you are unequivocally wrong.

 

You may be wondering why I seem a little more angry than this conversation probably warrents and that is because the previously mentioned Wrestling Cons were the highlight of my annual convention calender and the only reason why they don't run anymore is because of a stupid mistake made by the convention organisers. Now, not only do I and hundreds of other Wrestling fans have to miss out on our annual treat, but we also have to put up with the likes of you and other naysayers, with your opinions which as past cons have proved are indeed wrong, telling us that Wrestlers may not be as huge over here as they are in the states. And you are a Moderator too, so you should know better by checking your facts before blurting out statements.

 

So, I will make one final statement and then I will back out of this pointless argument for the second time - Given the right guests and entertainment, Showmasters or Massive could easily sell out a wrestling convention and if Jason or Mark were ever interested in any help and/or advice regarding the SPORT of Professional Wrestling, they both have my number.

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DavidB    1,955

Yes, you do seem angry, and unnecessarily so. Discussion should be able to be reasonable without you resorting to telling someone that they're "unequivocally wrong" - I find that a little arrogant and certainly rude. There's no need for it is there?

 

I'm not posting as a moderator. This has absolutely nothing to do with moderating. I'm posting as a fan, and I'm a little offended myself that you've chosen to be so rude in addressing me.

 

Firstly - "huge" comes down to personal opinion doesn't it. So if you disagree, that's fine. Just don't be rude about it.

 

Secondly - I'm not a 'naysayer,' I'm just being realistic. It's great to say we want this and that when it's someone else's money but SO many factors come into play when organising ANY convention.

 

Like I said, I admire your passion, as I have the same. Just because we have different opinions though, there's absolutely no need to resort to being as harsh and rude as you have been. That's the only problem here, and whether I'm posting as a moderator or a simple fan, I don't expect that from anyone. I'm always interested in discussing things with people, but not when they're like this.

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That is strange as I find your patronising attitude and the fact that you are putting words in my mouth as rude. Each to their own. You should really drop it now as I have tried to do twice already with you berating me back into this stupid argument!!!

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adriangill    245

Mario - Sorry but I have had to remove your last post. I appreciate the point you are trying to make but please do not name other events on this forum. Thank you.

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Are you having a giraffe?!?!?! I can't mention the convention associated with Wrestlemania?!?!?!? It isn't exactly a competitor to SM in any way shape or form, especially when we have pretty much established during the course of this conversation that there is slim to no chance of any wrestling guests appearing at this show.

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adriangill    245
Are you having a giraffe?!?!?! I can't mention the convention associated with Wrestlemania?!?!?!? It isn't exactly a competitor to SM in any way shape or form
Sorry but that does not matter, as stated here
R3.b: What can I mention!

 

To make it fair and for it to be possible to enforce we have to make it a blanket ban and so the simple answer is, no organisation or event not affiliated with SM, no matter where it is. Showmasters have the right to decide if they wish for any other event or organisation to be advertised in anyway on their forum, whether it is a direct competitor or not.

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Where do you draw the line??? I can talk about Wrestlemania, but only certain parts of it??? Can I talk about the SUperbowl? I'm pretty sure that A) Their players meet the fans and sign autographs over the course of the week & B ) SM will never have an NFL player appear at one of their shows!!! Can I talk about the time I bumped into Mark Owen in London? That wasn't associated with SM, but I still got his autograph. You should probably just ban me because I don't appreciate being censored for pointless reasons!!!

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showmasters    4,971

Where do you draw the line??? I can talk about Wrestlemania, but only certain parts of it??? Can I talk about the SUperbowl? I'm pretty sure that A) Their players meet the fans and sign autographs over the course of the week & B ) SM will never have an NFL player appear at one of their shows!!! Can I talk about the time I bumped into Mark Owen in London? That wasn't associated with SM, but I still got his autograph. You should probably just ban me because I don't appreciate being censored for pointless reasons!!!

 

hi Mario

 

the guys on here are just doing there job , and you know very well all the issues we have had over the years with other promoters , i have given them instructions and they do there very best to implment them for me , and that's just what they are trying to do , i knwo you and you know me but on here this is a place to promote the events we run and as so there are rules i hope you can see we have to all play along with the rules we have set out so that this forum works for what it was intended for .

 

so maybe we can move on from all this and all get along a bit better . :headscratch:

 

hope you are keeping well and if you want to take more give me a ring on 01908671138

 

yours

 

Jason

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