KingRichard76 Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 It was a good game. Cringeworthy and Powerful. Am glad it was a Draw I hope you're saying that because it's better than a loss? lol no one is glad of a draw. I'm totally appalled at Green they're paid over the odds to do a job, and that was beyond s***. Heskey played great as did gerard and though it pains me to say it Howard Thats exactly what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 I was expecting a draw before the match but the way it panned out England should have won it. Personally I don't think Robert Green should have started. I've always tended to think of him as a back-up rather than first choice. James makes mistakes but he tends not to make those kinds of mistakes. I think the difference between Green and the likes of Seaman, Shilton etc is that while they made mistakes in big World Cup games, they were proven internationals so they had a track record of quality at the highest level to answer their critics with. Unfortunately all Robert Green has is some decent performances in the qualifiers and a couple of OK seasons at West Ham. People will talk about Kings injury record but I suspect Capello never really intended him to be a first choice centre back when he picked the squad, but saw him as back up to Ferdinand. While England have a good number of the Terry/Carragher/Dawson types who are defenders first and ball players second, they isn't many in the Ferdinand/King mould who can play the ball as well. In some respects it might have been better to start with Carra and Terry tonight to leave King fresher for the games against teams that I suspect we can play a more attacking game against. I'd certainly want to see Joe Cole in for the next game, unless he has some sort of injury that stopped him playing tonight I can see no reason why he didn't at least come on for Milner. I think in the next game hopefully we will see a more vibrant Wayne Rooney as well. I wonder if all the talk about his temprement has affected him because he just didn't seem to get really involved tonight. I think there were a lot of positives from the game though. Lennon put some good balls in and Johnson got forward well. Gerrard was certainly a plus and again I thoughtt Heskey did a good job in holding the play up. If England are going to go further in the competition though he is going to have to be a lot more clinical in his finishing. No one is expecting him to win the Golden Boot but when he gets a one on one like he had tonight he will need to do a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie79 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Don't think green should be there, let alone first choice. Would've picked Robinson ahead of him as the third keeper. He had a great season with Blackburn, where as the same can't be said with Green. I question a fair few of Capello's picks. Said he was going to go with form, but feel he's gone with reputation. there's no natural left sided player for crying out loud. England should still qualify, but Slovenia could be a worry. Can't believe people have forgot who they beat to be at these finals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyT Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Enjoying France v Urugauy masochist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) England should still qualify, but Slovenia could be a worry. Can't believe people have forgot who they beat to be at these finals! Russia. I think people were glad to draw Slovenia because we could have drawn France or Portugal. Ofcourse they will not let England walk over them, but there is no question that player for player they are one of the weaker European teams at the World Cup, but since when has that meant it will be easy? Edited June 13, 2010 by Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I could be way off here but wasn't the consenus that Slovenia managed to get by Russia more by luck than judgement. I didn't see the games but I seem to remember hearing at the time that it was more down to Russia not converting chances and Slovenia pulling off a shock rather than them outplaying the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 D'oh, Slovenia won, I was hoping for a 0-0 Watching Serbia v Ghana now, unsure who I wold rather England play in the next round, just want to avoid Germany, not that I don't think we could beat Germany, but you know how it tends to go. On another thought, what does everyone think of the vuvuzelas, they may be getting banned. Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I can't say they bother me that much, to be honest I've found I've hardly noticed them after the first couple of games. The other thing is they do at least provide a unique aspect to the competition, just like the high pitched screaming in Japan in 2002 when the ball got close to the penalty area. Fact is it is apparently what South African fans like to do at football matches and they were there all through the Confederations Cup last summer so they shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. If FIFA are that btohered about it they should have taken action before the tournament started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACYLON Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Was sat in a bar overlooking the heathrow runway for the England match with about a hundred people including Mark Sheppard from BSG, Xfiles etc, couldn't really hear the commentary thanks to a combination of landing jumbo jets, us lot berating Green and them vuvuzelas!! To be honest unless you are particularily scared of being a room that sounds like it's inhabited by a swarm of angry hornets, then i don't think they are a problem, part of the unique atmosphere of this world cup, guess it may be more annoying if watching at home when theres less surrounding noise and atmosphere to drown them out!! Looking forward to the Auzzies beating Germany tonight!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Jones Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It is not FIFA wanting to ban them, but rather the South African Hosts Organising Chief Danny Jordaan responding to complaints from Commentators, and more importantly some of the teams, saying that it is nigh on impossible to communicate on the pitch itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Either way it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone in SA about the noise from them. I can remember Xabi Alonso saying how hard it was to talk on the pitch with the background noise last summer. I'm not saying they shouldn't ban them, I just can't see why they are only seeing it as a problem now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen_Sindel Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'm not saying they shouldn't ban them, I just can't see why they are only seeing it as a problem now. I can only speak for media here, but here they've always been treated as a possible problem. I think it was more FIFA trying to ignore the fact that this could become a possible problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRichard76 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 D'oh, Slovenia won, I was hoping for a 0-0 Watching Serbia v Ghana now, unsure who I wold rather England play in the next round, just want to avoid Germany, not that I don't think we could beat Germany, but you know how it tends to go. On another thought, what does everyone think of the vuvuzelas, they may be getting banned. Discuss I see both sides to this argument, the first that its what is seen as traditional. But as has been discussed commentators, and players on the pitch cant stand them. Admittedly I've only watched a few games but its very irritating hearing these beeing sounded, when I comment on twitter I say stuff like "A rabid bluebottle on the loose." but as this is being played in South Africa and its what is done then thats what is done. Each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 Vuvuzelas don't really bother me, but then I am not playing, I think it is right to say a final decision should have been made before hand. Back to the football, I thought Ghana played well today, they could be difficult team to beat (don't forget any Group D team could play England). I don't want to play Germany though and I really don't think they will go out in the Second Round. So assuming England win the group I am fairly happy Germany are winning against Austrailia (wouldn't normally say that though ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen_Sindel Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think it is right to say a final decision should have been made before hand. Yeah, definitely. Our neighbours have one of these things, and it is a freaking nightmare when they use it in their yard. I don't even want to think about thousands of these things constantly around me for 90 minutes, respectively 3 hours or how long the fans spend in the stadium. So assuming England win the group I am fairly happy Germany are winning against Austrailia (wouldn't normally say that though ) I'm still sitting here with my mouth open. I thought they would win, but not 4-0. I was thinking 3-2 or 2-1 maybe. But not that. Klose barely played this season at all, and Podolski's performance wasn't really good at all either. He had his best games for the national team. I've seen the Australians play in the 2006 World Cup, and with what they showed there they would have been much more tough to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spocks-brain Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Personally I don't think Robert Green should have started. I've always tended to think of him as a back-up rather than first choice. James makes mistakes but he tends not to make those kinds of mistakes. My feelings exactly. When the team was announced I was surprised to see Green's name. Thought he'd go for experience with James. I'm glad Green wasn't subbed at half time but I think Capello will make a change next Friday. If he picks Green and something else happens then Capello knows the blame will be pointed more at him for picking him again. Vuvazelas - I've found I just get used to them. Although if press mute during a game it is like getting your mind back again lol. There was a comment tonight from one of the reporters saying the S African fans don't come here and tell us how to enjoy ourselves in grounds. Fair point I thought. If they enjoy it then ok. Although I've always preferred a good song or chant lol. Germany. Very impressive. No-one should ever rule them out of contention, just look at their record over the last 60 years, almost always in the last 4. I always marvel at their consistency. Even when their own press thinks they have a lesser team like in 2002 they still end up in the final! Wish we'd have had their record over the years. Looking forward to seeing Holland and Italy tomorrow. I don't want to play Germany though Definitely. After seeing Germany tonight England really need to top the group to avoid them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Bring Germany on I say! Personally I always reckon if you have designs on winning a cup tournament, be it the FA Cup, Champions League or World Cup then it means that much more if you have had to beat the best teams along the way. I can remember Liverpool winning the FA cup in 2006, it was all the more satisfying because to get to the final we'd had to beat nearly all Premiership teams, including Chelsea and the mancs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 14, 2010 Author Share Posted June 14, 2010 What a start by the Netherlands, they looked pretty impressive today (even though one was an own goal). Wathcing Cameroon v Japan now. Not a great game although Japan's goal was pretty good, quite surprised that Eto'o isn't at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators DavidB Posted June 14, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 14, 2010 What a start by the Netherlands, they looked pretty impressive today (even though one was an own goal). I didn't think they were anywhere near impressive to be honest. Considering the talent they have in the side, they have a long way to go before they're at their best. They got lucky with both goals really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Still they started well in 2006 and faded so maybe this is a better start for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 What a start by the Netherlands, they looked pretty impressive today (even though one was an own goal). I didn't think they were anywhere near impressive to be honest. Considering the talent they have in the side, they have a long way to go before they're at their best. They got lucky with both goals really. But they did WIN and thats the name of the game Come on Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators DavidB Posted June 14, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 14, 2010 Yes, winning obviously counts for a lot, but I didn't see it as a convincing win nor anything encouraging for future games. The yellow cards were unnecessary, and Van Persie's one could come back to haunt them if they're not careful. Denmark were never going to be a threat. Any team that has to rely on Bendtner is going to struggle, and this is coming from an Arsenal supporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffy Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) Yes, winning obviously counts for a lot, but I didn't see it as a convincing win nor anything encouraging for future games. The yellow cards were unnecessary, and Van Persie's one could come back to haunt them if they're not careful. Denmark were never going to be a threat. Any team that has to rely on Bendtner is going to struggle, and this is coming from an Arsenal supporter I would rate Denmark above USA so how does that rate your chances And another thing, it is just a bunch of overpaid wee boys kicking a footy ball so dont take it too serious Edited June 14, 2010 by scruffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACYLON Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Not all teams that win the World Cup start well, Italy seem to always struggle in the groups, yet do well when it comes to the later stages, so theres hope for England yet. Guess we'll all have a better idea of what opposition there will be after Spain and Brazil's groups play their games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Fooku Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Plus I seem to remember Italy drawing 1-1 with the US in the group stage in 2006 so I don't think its time for the mass suicide bid just yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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