Sazzzy Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Of wen you'll know a date for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageSW77 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Are we to give in and just accept this show isnt happening. It appears all attention will be with the Red Dwarf show in June so it looks like we wont get it then. I hope the RD con is a success as there will be a few peed off mancs if a specialist show that has failed before is given the go over a manc show. Edited January 30, 2009 by vintageSW77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators DavidB Posted January 30, 2009 Moderators Share Posted January 30, 2009 They already had Collectormania in MK in June way before BTL was announced anyway, so I don't think anyone needs to be thinking BTL is going ahead over the Manchester event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazzzy Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 it does kinda suck that there dropping this could at least announce it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators DavidB Posted January 30, 2009 Moderators Share Posted January 30, 2009 It doesn't necessarily mean they are. It's just like when they come across guest problems - they'll do absolutely everything they can to try and work it out before finally admitting defeat as such. The Red Dwarf con is taking place between the two biggest shows of the year - MK's first stadium one, and LFACC. It's a simpler and cheaper con to put on though with pretty much all UK based people, and a hotel that they're familiar with etc. Manchester, if it does happen, probably wouldn't be best placed in between those events as it'd need more attention and effort than they could give it there imo. But as with any con, it's as much down to what dates are available working with when guests are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadatron Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Even a rough idea of the date must be known by SM or else how have they already apparently booked guests for this and put them on the leaflets given out at earlier cons for Manchester? In fact, even if we cant get a date, not even a roundabout month, then we just need to know if this is on or off. Surely it's in SM's best interests as a business to let us know asap whether this is on or not; I can't be the only one who has planned sidelined cash for this event, so if SM cancel it too late towards summer when we cant make other arrangements for the other events because of notice for holidays etc, then they will lose out on this money, which if they tell us now yea or nay we can plan ahead for use on other events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awf Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Even a rough idea of the date must be known by SM or else how have they already apparently booked guests for this and put them on the leaflets given out at earlier cons for Manchester? In fact, even if we cant get a date, not even a roundabout month, then we just need to know if this is on or off. Surely it's in SM's best interests as a business to let us know asap whether this is on or not; I can't be the only one who has planned sidelined cash for this event, so if SM cancel it too late towards summer when we cant make other arrangements for the other events because of notice for holidays etc, then they will lose out on this money, which if they tell us now yea or nay we can plan ahead for use on other events. i thought the problem was a venue for the show due to the costs of hiring the the gmex they were looking for an alternative place to hold the show what about moving it to bolton at the football stadium i think has an number of collectors fairs during the year i think the way its going it wont be held unless they try and fudge something together at the last minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageSW77 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) And now live from Bolton .........................its Collectormania MANCHESTER!! Fudge something at the last minuite? Wasnt this announced last summer? Heres whats on this year through the summer at the Gmex dunno if any of these fall on a wknd- Landlord & Buy-to-let Show 2009 - 5th & 6th June UK Radiological Congress 2009 - 6th - 10th June Traffic Management & Parking Conference & Exhibition 2009 - 11th June Macular Disease Society Regional Conference, Manchester - 13th June CIPFA Annual Conference - 23rd - 25th June Kids Fun Ideas Show 2009 - 27th & 28th June National Osteoporosis Society Conference 2009 - 28th June - 1st July Manchester Furniture Show - 19th - 22nd July Edited February 1, 2009 by vintageSW77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazzzy Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 would be good to get an idea... but meh. i have a feeling this con aint gunna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awf Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 i dont think theres a chance of it being held .between other show dates and venue dates looks slim date ? venue? cost ? guests? am sure its been canceled twice before to vintage sw77 they done it for glasgow anounced it year before and it took about 3 weeks before it to get any information from them the last one a xmas some guy tried to help them and got nothing but a load of stick for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazzzy Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 you have a good point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebredy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Personally I think there putting on too many shows at once (this has nothing to do with whether I could afford them or not) They do not need to run a show every single weekend of the year ( I know there not) but if feels like thats what they are trying to do. And this is regardless of whether some of there shows might suffer in the process, with less guest being announced, guests being announced to late for some people to get time off work to come, or dates being changed so often that people are not sure whether if they book the time off work they will be the actual dates the event will end up being help on. It doesn't work in SMs favour to do this, it is bad customer service, and thats not good for a business like this, especially when they rely on people like us to keep there business going... LLAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liremaer Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 why not keep it in november when there are no events??? Surely this wouldit more business??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadatron Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 You'd think that in a time of recession, where innumerous companies are going bust because of declining markets, especially in the service industry, that a company wouldn't **** about a decent number of its main customer base. But apparently not, and even if Showmasters have made a tactical business decision to ditch Manchester and focus on possibly more profitable ventures, then it is still poor policy to ignore such as basic question of "yes or no" from customers who, if getting the "no" early enough, could then go on to pass their custom onto these other events. To be honest I don't think we will get an answer until late summer, either weeks before if its a yes, or an eternal lingering "maybe" before a final admission if it's a no. Which would be pointless either way. And if the views of previous posts by Showmasters are to be read, I can already predict what their likely response will be.... "we're busy, so like it or lump it / we make the rules, either go to the show or don't go, we don't really care". Oh and not to forget accusing all those who ask for a date or get frustrated with being ignored as being "trouble causers". No doubt Showmaster's first response will now only be an attack on people pushing for a response rather than addressing their issue, or banning/suspending people who have posted their frustration on this. But its not like there are no other companies out there offering decent events with decent guests and decent notice of events.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazzzy Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share Posted February 22, 2009 that a little..no way to harsh, im sure when sm know they'll tells us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_your_angel_of_music Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I hope they do keep manchester cause its nice having an inbetween place thats close to home...glasgow is way too far and Mk and even the midlands is a bit of a hike...its nice havin somewhere not too far and in between glasgow and the others x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDonovan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Why is it some people on here can't cope without having their lives mapped out 12 months in advance? Do you know what you're having for dinner next Thursday? Are you so completely OCD that you can't bear not knowing what you're doing on the 9th August??? Seriously, you need to chill out a little bit. Personally I expect this event to be cancelled, but in all honesty you're just going to have to wait and see. If it happens, great, if it doesn't, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychosis Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Why is it some people on here can't cope without having their lives mapped out 12 months in advance? Do you know what you're having for dinner next Thursday? Are you so completely OCD that you can't bear not knowing what you're doing on the 9th August??? Seriously, you need to chill out a little bit. Personally I expect this event to be cancelled, but in all honesty you're just going to have to wait and see. If it happens, great, if it doesn't, so be it. I've known workplaces wanting time off to be booked six months in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazzzy Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 yeh mines liek that we had to book september 08 to get the holidays we wnated for 09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadatron Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 It's about booking holiday time. You can scoff all you like about people having to plan ahead, but it is good to know where you will be, what time off you require (if any) and how long you have to put some funds aside. If you were going abroad for a weekend holiday for example, would you get your details now, or just hop off to the travel agents a week before and hope they have something you want and that you can afford? You're lucky (if you're a full time worker of course) if your holiday booking procedure is simple and gives allowance for relatively short notice. You're also lucky, especially in present times, if you can find a stash of spare cash at short notice to be able to attend such an event. Unfortunately for many people the above two are simply not the case. We need time to get our holidays booked in, and possibly time to save up or spread a few plans out in order to maximize what we can afford. I'd like to know for example, if I have to try and get more holiday booked off certain summer months already filling up our holiday calendar (we can only have 2 members of staff off on any 1 day) , or if I can go to another event in August for example, or will I need to save especially to avoid having to split funds with another within short time span. So no, it's not about OCD, or about planning meticulous details like what snack I might have at 11.06am on the second day of the event. It's just about knowing the very basic general details like when (and if) it will be so I can find out if I can be there, or whether I can arrange to be somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDonovan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Look Nadatron, I'm not 'scoffing', and as it happens if we were talking about organizing a weeks diving in Cyprus I'd agree with you completely. But we're talking about a 1-2 day event (in fact most people, IMHO, go only for one day). I'm well aware of the sometimes difficult nature of organizing employees holiday. But I've never come across an employer that expects you to book 1-2 days off six months in advance, unless it's the week of Christmas. It's just not realistic. And we're talking about a weekend. And yes, I understand that some people work weekends, but the majority of people don't. I'm going to assume, rightly or wrongly, that the people who have an issue with this work in retail... if I'm wrong about that I'm sorry, but it seems a reasonable guess. Now I don't work in retail, I never have, but I appreciate that there are nuances to that sector, such as relatively small labour pools, weekend work, and the fact that enough people being absent mean you can't open the store. If you work in retail, it might be a bit more problematic, I grant you. But six months??? As for your weekend holiday question, yes, I probably would book such an event up a week or so in advance, unless it was around a specific date, an anniversary or whatever, in which case it might pay to book up a bit earlier. But then I don't work at the weekend, so it's not an issue. I recognize some people might be different, but it's very rare for me to have anything booked in for a weekend more than a month or so in advance. Like I said, I'd be surprised if this event goes ahead, for a few reasons that have already been discussed. Now I might be wrong about that, and it might get announced. But I don't see the point in getting angry about it? Do you really believe SM are sitting there rubbing their hands together and doing a little dance of glee, saying "We've buggered old Nadatron up good and proper this time!!"? I hate to say it, but probably the best thing in this case is to assume it's not going to happen. That way you won't be disappointed, or inconvenienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychosis Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I know for a fact that some people have to book time off six months in advance. Someone else stated that they needed to book their 2009 holidays in September 2008! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadatron Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm not saying that I'm annoyed because I believe they are purposefully targeting myself or anyone else for some kind of intentional torment, I'm just annoyed becuase they really don't seem to care. And no, I don't work in retail, I work in IT, but it isn't just retail workers at all. Even office staff are not guaranteed a standard working week, with banking, insurance, utilities, services, even basic admin likely to put in some weekends. Oh and don't forget health workers of many sorts, food workers, security, leisure facility staff, bar staff, tradesmen... basically a very large number of jobs not just based in shops, considering we are now a "24-7 society" and the world doesn't come to a stop for everyone outside of the high street from Friday to Monday. I wish that you were right, but unfortunately, it's very realistic to have constraints on holiday, in fact especially so on weekends because people are so reluctant to volunteer to cover. My holiday time isn't as harsh notice as others who do have to give several months notice, my constraint is that it is first come first serve, with a limited number of people (2 out of a team of 15) off at any one time, and summer is a nightmare to book off because of this - as I'm sure you can imagine, leaving a realistic timescale of a good couple of months before. And given my previous jobs (not in retail) and also many of my friends current jobs (oh, also not in retail) having the same issue, I think that it's pretty widespread. You must be one of the lucky ones I guess, so obviously several other people know they have weekends off too, and sod everyone else eh? My point isn't about starting a debate about the variety of British workers schedules and holiday entitlement and planning. My point is that without any word of a basic yes or no regarding this event, we cannot make plans for any events in "summer" while we are hanging on waiting in case they clash, or run too soon together, or cause us to waste money making futile plans. That would be a start, but with no actual date we still have the issue of ensuring we are able to go, be it one day or both, and the issue of allocating funds for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDonovan Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Nada, I hear what you're saying, but to be honest I refer you back to my previous point - if it's that difficult for you to wait, and it sounds like it is, then just assume it's not happening... I think at this stage that would be a safe bet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_your_angel_of_music Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 gawd at my old job we had to book a 1 day holiday wayyyy wayyyy in advance...it sucked LOL i remember tryin to get a days holiday that was like 4 weeks later...so thats like a months notice and my boss still had a right bloody go at me for not being organised in advance lol never let me forget that! she was a cow anyways lol and im not there anymore so its all good, but i would imagine shes not the only boss like that. lol x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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