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sorry to hear it mate, was lookin forward to havin a good bitch about stuff at the show sorry mate but I don't see why I should part with cash for an event who's organisers obviously don't care about what we are trying to do. For what it's worth... have a nice time.

The response from showmasters in this thread is shameful. We get asked to support the event and several of us bust our butts trying to help and get ignored. We RESPECTFULLY show our dismay at this and what do we get? We get told to be grateful we arent banned. Why the hell should we be grateful for that? We havent done a thing wrong. I for one wont be doing anything to support showmasters again. I am totally offnded at this attitude towards people like us who were just trying to help. I wont be going to this event either.

that's the point - we are trying to but keep getting left with egg on our faces. we can't work together when no one responds to us. I emailed your office as requested when I offered to distribute leaflets and didn't even get a reply let alone the leaflets. As I said earlier, help us to help you.

I give up sigh

I wouldn't say they were arguments... certainly not from me. It's just certain individuals trying to discredit our valid and constructive comments. I hate when someone comes along and butts in with a snidey remark and despite mods admittedly looking in and watching the thread nothing is said, yet when I respond to the same snidey remark we are both told to behave... the people who should be told to back off are those who won't allow us to have our say and insult us by telling us to shut up etc. Not us who made innocent constructive comments. OK as far as I'm concerned I've made my point. Will my concerns be addressed or acknowledged? Probably not.

heads or tails? call it!

thanks Jonesy. Thats what happens mate... conversations escalate. I'm just just making a valid point to the people who were quick to jump on me earlier for daring to elaborate on why I am so frustrated at the lack of communication from the organisers. Convention friendly locals trying to help are being neglected.

well said reverend. its frustrating when others tell us to shut up and blame us going off topic yet when other people go off topic (no offence jonesy and pez) nothing is said. This only further confirms that the real reason people are telling us to shut up is because they haven't read some of our comments thouroughly and assume we are just whining. I'm not sure what happened to your second post though rev. Must be in hyperspace or something. regarding the party... it's cancelled too? bummer

I'm sure you did. edit yup you posted a comment here... http://showmastersonline.com/forums/index....p;#entry1257688 it's the 3rd last comment on page 2 of this thread

lol I'm saying nothing

another career over in a flash

We were... but as happens in most conversations the topic of this thread developed into a discussion about how showmasters are dealing with things and whether they are going about it the wrong way or not. Try reading people's complete posts before telling us to shut up.

do I sense a little hostility? I hope not as I've made it clear in my posts that that is not my objective. It's just that whenever someone insults me on this forum for voicing my opinion and I respond, you have a knack of appearing straight after asking everyone to cool it. Maybe one time you will get there before those of us having a discussion have the chance to respond to being told by another member to shut up.

There's no problem at my end but I'm not going to sit back and have someone tell me to shut up on a discussion forum. I made a bet with my mate that you would post in this thread within 5 minutes. You just won me a box of maltesers. Cheers mate Want one?

Give what a rest? our opinions? yeh right mate... and you need to stop interfering with issues that don't concern you. It's a discussion forum so maybe it's you who needs to give it a rest. If there's one thing that bugs me on this forum it's people like you who don't let other's discuss where showmasters are going wrong.

You actually said but I'll let ya off this time

Mike you're reading too deeply into the first line of my post about woolworths which was made tongue in cheek. As a 40 year old self employed father of 3 I am well aware of what's going on in the world around me thanks. Yes so lets just ignore the other points mentioned. Nothing new there. That's MY point. I was responding to Jason who started the 'credit crunch' discussion in this thread. I also seized the opportunity to convey my feelings about some other relative issues rather than start ANOTHER thread which is also frowned upon by some people here and on these matters I'm not really interested in anyone else's reply but Jason's.

my comment has nothing to do with capitalism.

To Be Honest..... meh! Woolworths Schoolworths. What have Woolworths got to do with a convention? Ok Jason, I'm aware that you're only using woolworths as an example of the negative effects of the credit crunch. Sorry if I sound sceptical here but, if the credit crunch is to blame, since an announcement was made that the guests would be bigger and better in December, a similar updated announcement explaining that the credit crunch would now affect the event could have been made before now. I know you don't like to announce that an event which promised 'big' names would now NOT be able to do so, but I'm sure the majority of people would respect the honesty and would perhaps even make a point of supporting the event under the circumstances, after all the credit crunch is a national crisis that affects everyone so I doubt anyone would blame you for holding/cutting back. In my opinion I don't think the guests are that bad actually, just not as big as we had anticipated. As I said earlier, as a loyal member of the forum I personally will still support the event as will many lurkers who don't post on the forum. but equally there are many lurkers and regular posters who won't come, simply because Glasgow seems to be regarded as a low priority event and promises of big guests aren't being delivered despite previous announcements. To some people this sort of thing has the danger of looking like a marketing ploy and a desperate attempt to sell advance tickets and the general public don't like being duped. Not my own opinion but evidently the opinion of some fellow loyal members of the forum. One must remember that every member of this forum is a potential paying customer and their feedback whether positive or negative should be acknowledged and respected. I would hate for the Glasgow event to be a failure and hope the organisers will recognise that that might be down to the lack of major celebs rather than due to lack of interest for 'conventions' persay. I will shut up now 'cos I don't want to put anyone off coming, on the contrary, I hope my fellow scots and fans of these events will come along and support the event even if to ensure and show the organisers that we want this event to work and in the process will prove that we in Scotland are just as worthy of A listers like Richard Dreyfuss and Ernest Borgnine too. I hope my comments are seen as respectful and honest constructive criticism and not regarded as insults or sh*tstirring and shot down as anti showmasters comments because that is not the case. I really hope you weren't referring to me just because the batman agreed with my comment. Discrediting my dismay at the current service isn't the answer to the problem so please don't tar us all with the same brush. If your comment wasn't directed at me I apologise but it looks that way from where I'm sitting as the only comment the batman made in this thread was in response to what I said earlier. Not everyone who makes negative comments are doing so just to make showmasters look bad. As a regular member of your forum and longtime supporter of your events ( Like many others I too was a longtime lurker before posting) I would like to think you recognise my comments as 'constructive' and 'mature' rather than 'offensive'. I'd much raher be sayimg this in a private message or email but going on previous experience this is the only way to ensure that you will hear my voice and opinion. Help us to help you Jason. A good start would be to have someone with some sort of clout man your email and telephone correspondance. Someone who can answer our queries rather than make false promises to us that someone will be in touch. That's simply bad business. Sorry to highlight this on the forum but it's clearly not just me who's wasted their time and been left looking like a fool because of poor communication. I may be classed as 'just a forum member' but as I've said in several emails and phone calls to your office since before the Glasgow event in August, being a professional in the business I could have helped provide you with affordable and popular guests for this event without the hassle of agency/management fees and with no personal gain to me other than the satisfaction of knowing I had done something to help support the event. If I were a professional representative of these people I'd have given up with you months ago due to your lack of correspondance. First impressions count and all that. In my case, my emails and calls were never even acknowledged let alone addressed. Sorry to convey my feelings in such a public way but since you don't respond to emails or calls this seems to be the only sure way of conveying our honest feelings to you. I hope I've made it clear that my objective is not to put people off coming but to give you honest feedback from many people on this forum who feel the same way but are too frightended to speak up for fear of causing offence and having their heads bitten off for speaking up as happens all the time here. I may be opinionated but I'm only trying to be brutally honest. I do have the utmost respect for the work and committment the crew put into the showmasters events and I agree that you can't please everybody all the time which is soul destrying at times and I hope we can finally meet up for a chat at the Glasgow event Jason. I'm a decent guy and loyal supporter of your events - not a trouble maker or representative of a rival company out to destroy your reputation. Just ask yesindeed.. he's met me. Hell I even like Lizzy now and that's saying something. PS will you be wearing THAT green shirt again?

Look at it this way - Glasgow isn't just a Glasgow event - it's the only SCOTTISH event. How many does England have? I think the 'Glasgow' event deserves a little more respect from those who keep saying it will never be as big as London or whatever. Why not? I take it as an insult when people regard the Glasgow event as a small event. I reiterate it's the ONLY event in Scotland.

What a tosspot. There's nothing I detest more than sh@tstirrers who do it for no other reason than to cause upset. There's nothing constructive about it.

Judging by similar responses on the forum I don't think it's just Perpetual who's disappointed mate. We hear a lot of cries to support this event from many of our forum friends in England but as someone has already pointed out, aside from the crew there's not much support for Glasgow from most of those who suggest nae INSIST that we should ALL be supporting it no matter what. Just a pity some of us who went out out of our way to help with this event didn't get a reply to emails or phone calls despite trying constantly over a period of 4 months. If I were selfish, I'd say I'm happy with the lineup cos I get to meet a few guests I haven't met before - if I were asked if this event was going to boost the reputation of collectormania in Glasgow I'd have to say it would be a resounding no. Despite the sad facts, I will still be supporting the event personally. Pity I didn't receive the advertising leaflets I requested via email though. I got no response as per usual. It's rather discouraging to be honest.

Before you get all defensive on behalf of showmasters Lizzy, to be fair to those who are complaining it doesn't help when they read posts like this... so with all due respect Lizzy, Jasons comments that Glasgow in August was a success and that future events will be bigger, well they contradict the 'advice' you just gave to perpetual and those who share his opinion.

Are you in Glasgow just now too Jason?

welcome to the forum