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[JacknDaniel]

BeatrixKiddo88, on May 1 2012, 04:13 PM, said:

Yeha to be fair, what I've seen is most people saying 'well yeah digital would be cool as an option/extra but it isnt that big of a deal'

And one or two, you know who you are, saying thinsg like (and I quote from another thread on this): 'But you loose qualityyyyyyyyyyyyyy biggggggggggggg timeeeeeeeeeeeee'

And such.


Obviously it would be a nice thing but there seems to only be a very small minority so set of pixel amounts and HQ pictures for whatever they use them for on the PC that you cant base the thoughts of the board on them.

Most people at these events, me included, really just dont care THAT much If it's digital, great. If it's printed, great. We just want our photos! lol

I think the point is that some people, and it may well be a relatively small amount of people, are quite passionate about it. I know I am, but never really post about it here, because it tends to be dismissed with comments like 'SM know about it, but haven't implemented it as of now, they may in future'. Yes we know they haven't implemented it yet, but if everyone who is interested in it even remotely comes onto the forum to discuss and request it, SM will see that there is a constant interest in it.

Your point that most people are not really bothered kind of backs up the requests for digital copies to be made available. SM get through thousands of photo shoots at any one event like LFCC. Despite the apparent possible logistical nightmare this could cause, I agree with you that I don't think for one minute that even a large percentage of these people would wish a digital copy sent to them afterwards in addition to picking up their photo at the show itself, like you say, most people would be happy just having a physical copy. Some of us, however, do, and if we are in a minority, then there surely shouldn't be a huge deal about these being made available to us the same as many other event organisers have done for me at least

Edited by JacknDaniel, 02 May 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[BeatrixKiddo88]

Never under-estimate the power of additional stuff or even free extras lol

You offer people a free hotdog, most will take you up, even if they arnt hungry


My point was more about people bothered about it being implemented. Once it is? Way more people will bother.

[JacknDaniel]

So you're against it? If you're against it or indifferent, why even comment on it? Like I said, if lots of people want it, then why bring up reasons as to why it couldn't, or shouldn't be done?

It's that attitude that stopped me, until now, commenting, as reasonable requests for it seem to be dismissed by people who aren't even representing SM.

There are plenty of other organisers giving away the free hot dogs you're referring to, and it obviously hasn't been detrimental to their business

Edited by JacknDaniel, 02 May 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[BeatrixKiddo88]

Same reason anyone posts about it, it's a discussion board and if it was filled with just one-sidedness it would be boring and SM would never have a good representation of the attendees opinions to work from.

I'm sorry you've felt like it would be ignored, but it never is. SM read all of it and take it all into account if they can. If someone disagrees or isnt into the same thing as you, dosnt mean either will be ignored by anyone. That's a little short-sighted lol

Would digital be a nice offer? Sure. Would I rather money and effort from SM went on other things? Too right. The money and effort to implement this could be used for a few guests or a few more shoots or something else actually at the event.

I'm sure SM would love to give us everything we request and make these events even more legendary, but there isnt a bottomless pit of money lol They have to weigh things up. And if they think it would be better for the even to have another guest than a digital photo option, then I'd agree lol

The option will be there at some point I'm sure, SM wont just never do it. It'll just take time and effort and when they can do it well and for a minimum enough cost to us and them, they will  

[JacknDaniel]

Sorry but to me that's absolute rubbish. If you aren't interested in a digital copy, then it does absolutely no benefit to us who do want one made available, to have someone saying they'd rather SM focussed on other things. If they were to do it or not, it wouldn't affect you either way as you don't care about it! It DOES affect us people who do want it.

You're commenting because if it was one sided, it'd be boring?! I find the majority of threads on the forum boring, but I don't go into each one of them and disagree with people just to make it more exciting because it's a discussion forum and we're meant to discuss things!

Hey I would rather SM spent money on guests I want to meet, and the shows I go to, instead of running conventions for shows that I have no interest in, but the fact is that as an organisation, it's their job to handle multiple things and (I would imagine) try and cater for their customers.

To use your 'hot dog' analogy, if I and many other people love buying a certain food item, and you don't, would you say to the company that make the food item, that you're not particularly interested in it, and you'd rather they spent the money and resources on something more suited to you? Of course you wouldn't. It would be taking away from something that others DO enjoy, even if you dont particularly like it yourself

[BeatrixKiddo88]

Fair enough. You are obviously spoiling for an argument so I think we should just leave it. You are set on this so no discussion will be allowed.

Thanks.

[anam]

Queen_Sindel, on May 2 2012, 11:25 AM, said:

It does appear that your post was removed directly by the office, so I am afraid none of the mods can answer that question. Please e-mail info@showmastersonline.com, they can give you an explanation.

Thank you for the information.

JacknDaniel, on May 2 2012, 11:50 AM, said:

I think the point is that some people, and it may well be a relatively small amount of people, are quite ...

JacknDaniel, we are not relatively small amount of people. Current poll from http://showmasterson...showtopic=75701
suggests 50% want both Digital and Printed and 21% want all digital as opposed to 19% for all printed. There is a high demand for digital copies.

All high resolution Digital [21.31%]
All printed   [19.67%]
All/Mostly Digital and some printed [3.28%]
All/Mostly printed and some Digital [6.56%]
Both Digital and Printed [49.18%]

[DavidB]

And of course mention that there's been just over 60 votes total.

[BeatrixKiddo88]

Yeah that's a random point, it's actually scary how many people go to an event but dont even know about the forum let alone use it.

But it does give us a sampling at least :)

[jael001]

So out of the 10,000 to 15,000 people expected to attend this event, a whole 60 people have voted in this poll, I don't think it's exactly representative.

[anam]

anam, on May 1 2012, 01:52 AM, said:

While the votes of only 26 people do not represent the views of thousands of fans who will be attending,  the response so far clearly suggests .......

DavidB, on May 2 2012, 01:59 PM, said:

And of course mention that there's been just over 60 votes total.

I didn't think I had to mention it every time. 63 votes is better than having no votes and not having any idea at all.

[jael001]

Showmasters ARE aware that people want digital photos too, you're making out like they have no idea. They just haven't come up with a way of doing it yet that's both affordable and easy to implement. No amount of polls is going to change that.

[JacknDaniel]

BeatrixKiddo88, on May 2 2012, 01:17 PM, said:

Fair enough. You are obviously spoiling for an argument so I think we should just leave it. You are set on this so no discussion will be allowed.

Thanks.

It's easy to reply with pointing me out as the villain who's looking for a fight, but it's quite the opposite. I'm saying that it's a good idea, people want it done(a small amount or not, either way is backup for actually doing it!) and there's absolutely nothing to be gained by anyone by opposing it, which is the way you come across. I do imagine you don't quite oppose it, and like most other people, if SM one day said that they'll be implementing this as an extra, needless to say, EVERYONE would benefit, and everyone would be happy about it, it wouldn't take away anything from anyone. That's why I don't understand anyone arguing/debating/opposing/whatever you want to call it.

Edited by JacknDaniel, 02 May 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[BeatrixKiddo88]

I dont think anyone is 'against' it, me included.

We are just trying to explain to people wither why we personally arnt pushing for it as hard as others and why SM have not tried it yet or may not in the near future.

That's it.

The only threads that should be 'forcably' positive are the guest ones, as guests may read them and be put off by any negativity.

This is a discussion topic not an announcment thread, there's going to be discussion and opinion. It's the way of any forum.


So yeah, drop it now? Back to the actual topic?


So if this was brought in, what would people prefer? A usb or email? Be quite cool if the USB was themed, I'd pay the extra just for the USB really lol Other than that, I'd probs go for email as it'd be cheaper and probs easier for SM.

[anam]

BeatrixKiddo88, on May 2 2012, 03:01 PM, said:

I dont think anyone is 'against' it, me included.

So if this was brought in, what would people prefer? A usb or email? Be quite cool if the USB was themed, I'd pay the extra just for the USB really lol Other than that, I'd probs go for email as it'd be cheaper and probs easier for SM.

But I have seen negative attitudes in this forum. As JacknDaniel said, no one looses anything with this, not like anyone is asking to stop the printed photos. Everyone only gains if implemented.

USB or download. Email is impractical I think.

[BrendaH]

BeatrixKiddo88, on May 2 2012, 10:01 AM, said:

So if this was brought in, what would people prefer? A usb or email? Be quite cool if the USB was themed, I'd pay the extra just for the USB really lol Other than that, I'd probs go for email as it'd be cheaper and probs easier for SM.

Actually, my choice would be neighter of those - a website that I could go to and download high-res images would be preferred.

1) I don't want to risk losing a USB the same way I don't want to risk losing/damaging a print

2) Many email providers have quotos as to size of attachments and I would hate for them to send out lower res images because of that.

[davidbrookes]

BrendaH, on May 2 2012, 03:19 PM, said:

BeatrixKiddo88, on May 2 2012, 10:01 AM, said:

So if this was brought in, what would people prefer? A usb or email? Be quite cool if the USB was themed, I'd pay the extra just for the USB really lol Other than that, I'd probs go for email as it'd be cheaper and probs easier for SM.

Actually, my choice would be neighter of those - a website that I could go to and download high-res images would be preferred.

1) I don't want to risk losing a USB the same way I don't want to risk losing/damaging a print

2) Many email providers have quotos as to size of attachments and I would hate for them to send out lower res images because of that.

Website could create security risks, what if the email was a generated code that was a lot of characters, so you could download it whatever the size but have a strong system so you would have to be rather clever to access anybody elses?

[showmasters]

Hi all,

Thank you for all your comments. There certainly are a lot of them and we understand that digital images are something that is interesting to some people.

We have looked at the viability making digital copies of photo shoots available at our other events and so far have not done so. This is simply for the reason that we have not been able to work out a secure and efficient way of making it happen for the volumes of people we are talking about.

We are afraid that nothing has changed in this regard and at present we have no plans to offer digital images of the photo shoots at DSTL.

We are aware that some other events have tried it, or will be trying it, but none with the unprecedented numbers of photo shoots that we deal with.

Ultimately we have to ensure that we are able to provide what we say we will provide and we do not have confidence that there is an efficient method of providing digital images of the photo shoots that will not break under the pressure on the day of the event.

Obviously, as with everything, we will keep it under review and if things change then maybe it is something we will look at again. However, for now, to be clear, all photo shoots at DSTL will be hard copies only, the same way as it has been for the last few years.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and also for all your comments beforehand.

Take care,

Mark