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#21 Bob D

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Posted 20 October 2008 - 11:10 PM

View Postsrb, on Oct 21 2008, 12:08 AM, said:

I did not go to this con but it does seem to me that people who book tickets early are doing the organiser i huge service by buying there tickets as early as possible. They pay money that the organisers can then use to pay for more guests, and arranging the event ie hotels, DJ or entertainment video equipment etc.  You announce more guests more ticlets are sold and it becomes a circle.

Exactly my point.

Although there won't ever be day passes sold from what ME have said in the past.

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Posted 20 October 2008 - 11:15 PM

OK we'll put it this way - I bought my ticket for Hallowhedon the day they went on sale.

Did I do this to 'do the organiser a huge service'? Nope. I did it because it was financially possible, and I like to be organised. I didn't do it for the organiser, and therefore I expect nothing back. I don't want preferential treatment.

And let's be honest, I hardly think many people buy their tickets early in order to be nice to the organiser. People do it for themselves, and I would not expect anyone to be rewarded for that. It's just not possible for some other people to do so anyway. If at some point I can't buy something immediately, I'd still expect to get generally the same for my money as those that were fortunate enough to get theirs earlier.

I certainly wouldn't compare it to getting a queue ticket at a signing event. You're not paying for those for a start.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 11:17 PM

First come, first served.  The oldest rule in sales.

It's not really preferential service either - if you all leave with the same stuff, so what?  Someone has to go first, someone has to go last.  So long as no-one misses out, there's no problem surely?!

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 12:34 AM

View PostBob D, on Oct 21 2008, 12:17 AM, said:

First come, first served.  The oldest rule in sales.

It's not really preferential service either - if you all leave with the same stuff, so what?  Someone has to go first, someone has to go last.  So long as no-one misses out, there's no problem surely?!

well said and I completly agree. I did have more than half my stuff done on the Sunday but I was done for bout 11 and I got to kick back and relax until the talks:)

I can't see how this could have been done any other way. Ive been to other events were they had talks at same time as autographs and you realy had to decide what you wanted more.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 06:34 AM

The whole weekend was absolutley fab! I had an awesome time.

The talks were well run, and the photoshoots were really well organised.

The only thing i feel i must comment on is the lack of schedule in the registration pack. We got one for Eclipse, so why not The Hub? I understand there were final things that may have had to be changed, but it would have been really helpful. I missed out on Lachlan signing, as i was unable to read the schedule, as the print was so small, and am quite shy, and thus didnt think of asking anyone to read the whole shedule for me lol The whole weekend, i just waited to see if my number was called, or asked a crew member if i had been called yet. I asked this before i went into the talks, but had no idea he was only signing during the talks that afternoon, as i hadnt been called for him before.

Other than that, i thought it ran really well, and i cant wait to be paid at the end of the month to buy my ticket to the next one lol
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 06:58 AM

View PostEmmeh, on Oct 21 2008, 07:34 AM, said:

The whole weekend, i just waited to see if my number was called, or asked a crew member if i had been called yet.

That's cos you're a muppet and know I would've told you. *pets*

Also Saturday? Totally on for that now. *squees*

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 10:33 AM

This was my first con and a very enjoyable weekend at that. I agree a copy of the schedule would of been handy if only a case of picking it up on the registration desk. I did think it was a bit hard to follow with the groups to start with but by midday Sat just about had the hang of it.  My main problem was that my daughter had a silver ticket as she wanted photo shoots,i had an early number standard ticket and as a last miniute thing i'd booked my husband a ticket but was claiming his auto's so i was trying to keep an eye on  groups 6,12 and 18 in the end other than for John we just collected all the auto's with the first group called! Unfortunately i was in the last group for John and didn't get chance for a chat which was a shame as that was what i was most lookin forward to. Other than that i had a ball,laughed more than i've done in ages as the talks were fab and loved the parties. Am hoping to book for hub 2 but just can't afford it as yet.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 10:56 AM

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i was really happy that flash was only allowed for so long as it cause me problems and i took photos without flash and it came out really well i think the guests were more comfortable because of the time limit and it made the talks better
but thats just me lol
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Interestingly the photos I took with flash were worse than the ones I took without flash so I actually stopped using the flash at all even when we could during the talks.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 11:03 AM

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 12:23 PM

View Postkaraoke_krazy, on Oct 20 2008, 11:47 PM, said:


Sometimes when there was no queue the crew would let you go up regardless.


Sorry SM, this was not meant to be a criticism.  I actually really appreciated this and I just think if more people would have approached the crew they would have got more stuff done on the sat.  I think the crew were all very helpfull and all deserve a big thank you.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:15 PM

View Postthefreckles, on Oct 20 2008, 07:38 PM, said:



The DJ was brilliant (so very much better than the chap at Eclipse 1 and much more polite too)!  A superb mux of music that seemed to leave most everyone happy and the dance floor was generally busy the two evenings I attended.  Had tremendous fun!  So much so my friends and I stayed to the 'bitter' end both nights.  :blink:  If the DJ is reading this, I know I went up to thank you at the end of Saturday but I'd like to extend my thanks once again.  Things were much more enjoyable, from my point of view.



Why thankyou it's always nice to have positive feedback and I would like to say thanks to everyone that came to say Hi or make a request - everyone seemed really nice!  

Darren (Saturday DJ) xx

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:09 PM

View PostDavidB, on Oct 20 2008, 10:19 PM, said:

I would not agree that early bookers should get in first. They're paying the same as everyone else, and I wouldn't expect others to get preferential treatment just because they booked before me really.
Technically the early bookers are paying more. If you book and pay for an event six months ahead, you no longer have that money; if you wait until the day to pay, you've had six months where you could be earning interest on that money (or using it to keep your overdraft and its interest charges down  :thumbup: :-) ) Granted six months' interest on £78 isn't a huge amount, but it is an amount. And arguably SM/ME may benefit by a similar amount.

View PostDavidB, on Oct 20 2008, 10:19 PM, said:

As for jessanne's question "what incentive is there to buy tickets early?" - nothing in particular, and I don't really see why there should be. More tickets sold, the more guests they get. And at least you're guaranteed attendance at the convention. A lot of people can't book straight away, but I don't see why they should be treated any differently.
I think people who book early are doing SM a huge favour. Sure, they're also guaranteeing their own attendance, but they are committing to an event early on. This means several things. As well as paying out upfront (at a financial cost, as mentioned above), they are also tying themselves into the event; given the non-refundable nature of tickets they're turning down the opportunity to do something else that weekend earlier, no matter what happens. Suppose that weekend also turns out to be a family christening, or funeral, or maybe something they like even more than the con gets announced? Those people that have booked in advance are either going to have to decline the other event, or take a hit by not going to a con they've paid for. They're giving up a bit of freedom and choice by buying early.
They're also providing both certainty of numbers and cashflow for the event. This is very highly prized; as somebody said, suppose nobody booked until a fortnight beforehand? The answer that you're just doing yourself a favour by allowing them to book more or better guests doesn't really wash, because you're also doing that favour for everybody else who goes, including those who decide to book later.
Certainty of numbers makes planning easier; if you start out having sold 300 tickets straight away, you know that you can plan for an event of at least that size, and probably larger. You know that the size of your event will be between 300 and 800 (if that's the limit) and that sets your thinking and planning on a certain level.  If you only start off with 25 tickets being sold, then your final numbers will be between 25 and 800. Whilst that probably wouldn't make any difference in the long run, you'll have to worry for a number of weeks about suppose your final numbers are only 150? You can't plan for a really big show until you're confident of numbers; if you're confident early on that you'll have at least 500 folk coming, you can plan for that from early on. If you spend months with only a few tickets sold, you can only really plan for a small to medium size show, and then if you sell a lot of tickets in the last 2 or 3 weeks before the show, you have to upscale things very quickly, which can be inconvenient and lead to problems. Of course, some of this stuff is readily scalable anyway, and I'm sure experienced operators like Jason can "turn up the gas" at short notice, if need be. However, if SM/ME were organising a convention for six months time, I bet their work would be far easier if they sold say 300 tickets straight off, another 200 in the next six weeks, and then continued to sell steadily thereon, than if they sold 25 straight away and another 100 over the next five months, then 550 about 3 weeks before the show. Granted, sales patterns are unlikely to be so skewed, but surely early sales must help them plan. (Early sales probably also help sales generally; if tickets are selling fast, other people are likelier to buy early, both because healthy sales increase confidence in an event, and because people want to make sure that they can get a ticket, so act sooner.)
Early booking also provides cashflow, a huge advantage. Not only does this give you money upfront to pay for stuff that needs to be paid for, it also gives you a chance to buy things sooner which may work out cheaper (e.g. airline tickets), or to arrange things sooner that may need advance payment - if there are things that need to be booked and paid for in advance, being able to do that sooner means its one less thing that needs to be sorted in the last few weeks when time may be tight.
I would have thought that advance booking would be hugely beneficial to SM, and would have thought they would want to do more to encourage it. Certainly it seems a common business practice to do so; any number of conferences and seminars that I see advertised at work have discounts for booking early; sometimes as much as 10%. Similarly, look at rock festivals (apart from those like Glastonbury or Reading that are bound to sell out anyway); many of them have ticket prices that are cheaper if you book before a certain date in advance. (In a similar way it's also common for gigs to charge more "on the door" than in advance, for the same sorts of reasons).
Sales for this event started a little over six months ago, in the middle of April. If you repriced the standard £78 ticket at £72 for orders placed by 31st May, £76 for orders placed by 31st August, and £80 for orders placed after that date, perhaps nearly the same level of income would be generated, but people would have an incentive to book earlier.
This would both be an answer to the question of "what is the point of booking early?" and for those that would say "it's not fair we can't afford to book now", it could be pointed out that those paying earlier are in effect only being compensated for loss of interest on their money and receiving a thanks for supporting the event early and helping to make booking guests easier. It would also be not so large incentive as to cause people to moan endlessly that they couldn't get the money together in time for a deadline, or their internet access failed on the last day at one price rate, or they couldn't guarantee booking the time off work that far in advance, or that they just didn't want to commit so soon... or am I just thinking wishfully? I'd like to think that this sort of pricing differential would be enough to make people think about booking earlier, but not big enough to engender endless bleating by those who ended up paying a bit more.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:52 PM

That's a very long post Mr T :D

I have read it, and no doubt could probably counterpoint half of it, but I don't really have the time. Just to say that I do understand the beliefs of those that feel they contribute more by buying early, and I certainly don't disagree the usefulness of cash at an early stage.

I do still feel that everyone should be treated equally as much as possible, but obviously that's just personal opinion. I can't really fault anyone who wants a little more for their money. The organisers would certainly need to re-work the system (as you've suggested) if something was to happen though.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 05:05 PM

I have to say that i booked my ticket on sunday using my credit card (!) and I assume most people have done this from conversations I had sunday (yes i know that not everyone has a credit card).

Its taught me a valuable lesson and that is if the next convention is likely to go on sale on the last day then save up ready for then if possible.  The other big advantage of booking on sunday was being able to get a room at the park inn, which you were only able to book if you showed them your receipt from Hub2.

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 09:47 PM

View PostDavidB, on Oct 21 2008, 05:52 PM, said:

That's a very long post Mr T :YAHOO:
Apologies - my editor was at breakfast  :D

View PostDavidB, on Oct 21 2008, 05:52 PM, said:

I do still feel that everyone should be treated equally as much as possible, but obviously that's just personal opinion. I can't really fault anyone who wants a little more for their money.
Well, one of the delights of an early purchase discount is that it does rather undermine the argument of those people who feel that because they bought their tickets first, they should have the first or best of everything. Sure, they may still get better seating if it's done by ticket ordering, but the small number who insist that they should have first dibs at everything because they bought their tickets early could at least be told "yes you bought your tickets early, so you got a discount. Other than that, you're treated exactly the same way as everybody else who bought a ticket of your class, irrespective of when they bought it" - I gather that's a reasonable sort of equality?
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 02:13 PM

View Postkaraoke_krazy, on Oct 21 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

I have to say that i booked my ticket on sunday using my credit card (!) and I assume most people have done this from conversations I had sunday (yes i know that not everyone has a credit card).

Its taught me a valuable lesson and that is if the next convention is likely to go on sale on the last day then save up ready for then if possible.  The other big advantage of booking on sunday was being able to get a room at the park inn, which you were only able to book if you showed them your receipt from Hub2.

Shame I didnt know this. As Ive said on another thread I was told by hotel staff on Saturday afternoon that all Park Inn rooms were booked up on the weekend of the Hub 2 so when I registered on Sunday I didnt bother asking them again.

Still I was happy with my room at the IBIS and meals at Park Inn also parking in Sol Central so I will be doing this again.

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 03:53 PM

View Postjamesdalek, on Oct 23 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

View Postkaraoke_krazy, on Oct 21 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

I have to say that i booked my ticket on sunday using my credit card (!) and I assume most people have done this from conversations I had sunday (yes i know that not everyone has a credit card).

Its taught me a valuable lesson and that is if the next convention is likely to go on sale on the last day then save up ready for then if possible.  The other big advantage of booking on sunday was being able to get a room at the park inn, which you were only able to book if you showed them your receipt from Hub2.

Shame I didnt know this. As Ive said on another thread I was told by hotel staff on Saturday afternoon that all Park Inn rooms were booked up on the weekend of the Hub 2 so when I registered on Sunday I didnt bother asking them again.

Still I was happy with my room at the IBIS and meals at Park Inn also parking in Sol Central so I will be doing this again.

It depended on which hotel receptionist you spoke to. On Saturday evening we had been told it was fully booked already, but double checked late on Saturday and were told it was available for Hub bookings. Yet early on Sunday morning someone else was told that the hotel was fully booked and that they should call in mid week to see if there had been any cancellations!

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 07:54 PM

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View Postthefreckles, on Oct 20 2008, 07:38 PM, said:



The DJ was brilliant (so very much better than the chap at Eclipse 1 and much more polite too)!  A superb mux of music that seemed to leave most everyone happy and the dance floor was generally busy the two evenings I attended.  Had tremendous fun!  So much so my friends and I stayed to the 'bitter' end both nights.  :dance:  If the DJ is reading this, I know I went up to thank you at the end of Saturday but I'd like to extend my thanks once again.  Things were much more enjoyable, from my point of view.



Why thankyou it's always nice to have positive feedback and I would like to say thanks to everyone that came to say Hi or make a request - everyone seemed really nice!  

Darren (Saturday DJ) xx

You were an awesome DJ  :D  I made quite a few requests and you played them all  :thumbup:  :YAHOO:  :dance:

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:14 PM

View Postmjocovers, on Oct 23 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

View Postjamesdalek, on Oct 23 2008, 03:13 PM, said:

View Postkaraoke_krazy, on Oct 21 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

I have to say that i booked my ticket on sunday using my credit card (!) and I assume most people have done this from conversations I had sunday (yes i know that not everyone has a credit card).

Its taught me a valuable lesson and that is if the next convention is likely to go on sale on the last day then save up ready for then if possible.  The other big advantage of booking on sunday was being able to get a room at the park inn, which you were only able to book if you showed them your receipt from Hub2.

Shame I didnt know this. As Ive said on another thread I was told by hotel staff on Saturday afternoon that all Park Inn rooms were booked up on the weekend of the Hub 2 so when I registered on Sunday I didnt bother asking them again.

Still I was happy with my room at the IBIS and meals at Park Inn also parking in Sol Central so I will be doing this again.

It depended on which hotel receptionist you spoke to. On Saturday evening we had been told it was fully booked already, but double checked late on Saturday and were told it was available for Hub bookings. Yet early on Sunday morning someone else was told that the hotel was fully booked and that they should call in mid week to see if there had been any cancellations!

Yes confusing to say the least. There were two receptionists responding to me when I asked a 'junior' one and a 'senior' one it seemed so I assumed they couldnt both be wrong and didnt ask again




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