Guests for Glasgow

[showmasters]

I am sorry HazaRaza7 with 10 posts , yesindeed with 4 posts , but if you think that we are so wrong in the way we run this event then why bother coming to it or why bother come on here, it seems you just want to dig at the way we are running this event why bother ?

 

As to guests, the guests so fare are better we think than last years and we do plan to have some more we will let you know who they are when we have them booked in as usual, this is something that will happen when it happens, pushing on here will not make any difference at all, even if you have flights from Germany or not

 

This event is for the people in Scotland 1st, if you live in other parts of the uk and there are guest that you want to see you are welcome to travel to it but thats up to you

 

now lets get down to yesindeed with 4 posts

you have said that you "tried buying a stall" but "decided against it"

 

but if you tried and ring us then you could have booked one, So you did not TRY at all, what you are saying is you thought about having a table and decided not to which is your choice

 

but as we now only have 5 tables left for sale and we have around 8 people getting back to us on the amount of tables they want for the weekend we will be sold out very soon which is good for the event

 

now your choice to not book tables was a bad one from what i leant from the dealers from last year

 

it may saprisee you to know that most of the dealers that took tables last year did so well that 80% rebooked on the day of the last show most said that it was so good for them and a lot said that they took more money there than any other show they have been to in Scotland

 

all the dealers that traveled up from the south some as far as London all did so well they also rebooked and a lot of dealers said that if we put on more events in Scotland they would sapourt them

 

hence we are now doing an event in Dec

 

so i think you just missed a big opatunaty as a dealer

 

now next your strange comment that you say came from us about "get the guest over for something else"

 

this is utter rubbish and is not true

 

we have done this from time to time but only when we have another show a week away from another like last year, but you claim we have said this for this show is rubbish

 

and as to saying

 

"Glasgow is still just a small show and doesn't get the fans that come to MK and LFCC so they are havin trouble getting guests to sign on just for Glasgow"

 

This is also rubbish, we pay the guests wether they make there money back or not so if we pay them thay will come to the show as we have a great relashionship with lots of them , so were you got this from puzzles me

 

we are taking it steedy with the guests as we do not want to loss so much money on the first 2 couple of events that we decide not to run another, that is sensible and our way to grow the event and billd it up the same way we did for Collectormania MK, we have to start some were and this show has started very well and its looking to be a very good event

 

i would just like to say one thing we have herd this all before with the other shows when they first started, so how about getting behind us and help make the events work rather than bash us before we even get the seconed event under our belt

 

its not easy running events if you tryed it you would know we have more expirans than any other componey in the UK, but we are still learning all the time, we have started up 8 new event in 6 years and all are working well, now we have started to run events in Scotland and we are working with lots of people in Scotland including A1 comics that are cool guys to make the events work we know that Collectormania Glasgow will be an amazing event

 

i am going to clean up some of the threads as they put over things we have not said or are not our policy

 

i hope you see were i am coming from here

 

i look forward to letting you all know some new guest soon

 

see you there

 

Jason

[yesindeed]

First off I don't see what the number of posts someone has made has to do with anything an opinion is still an opinion. In fact your attitude towards people who have recently joined and as a consequence only have a few posts is very off putting and discouraging - it makes people feel as though they are not entirely welcome. It would seem like showmasters remove posts and threads which criticise their abilities as with HazaRaza7's post and my own addition to it. People are allowed to have opinions even if they disagree with the boards moderators. Moderators should not use their position to remove valid opinions that they don't like.

 

You have seriously misinterpreted what I have said in my post which you have now deleted. I did not say that anyone from Collectormania or Showmasters told me that you have guests over for other things and then get them to come to Glasgow I said that I had heard from someone who has a table that this is what happens I never said it was an official statement. When I said that I had tried booking a table I meant it - I phoned up and enquired about it and then decided against it as the guest list or lack thereof was discouraging. Saying that, I do know that these things have to start out small but it is very disappointing to have only 8 guests announced many of which only cater to an older audience this close to the show. Last year had some quite good guests but this year so far I will only be going for the dealer area.

 

You ask fans to support and advertise collectormania glasgow at their own expense to try and encourage a larger audience but we appear to have nothing to work with - its like trying to sell tickets to a musical that hasn't yet been cast.

 

I'm sure people who were there last year will come back and bring friends but people keep saying on the forum about how you wish to attract the general public walking by in Braehead but this will be hard to do without advertising well before hand some guests that will attract a more general audience as the majority of people going to events in the arena do not even know how to find it - I know this for a fact as I work in Braehaed and get continually asked where it is and how to get there.

 

I sincerely hope that this post will not be deleted as I am only expressing an opinion and do not claim to know the inner workings of showmasters.

[Big Phil]

I don't wish to get embroiled in this argument but I'd like to give my views as a dealer....even though it'll only be my second post ;-)

 

I've been selling at events like this since 1999 and I've never booked up a stall purely on the strength of what guests are attending. I never give the guests a second thought. I go to sell merchandise. I don't know what the percentages are but I guess the majority of attendees are there purely to buy from dealers.

 

Sure, they'll wander around the guest signing area for a nosey but does anyone have facts or figures on the amount of punters that do pay for autographs?

 

As far as I'm concerned and from what I've learned over the years, people are there to collect and that's why Collectormania and events and other such events are named exactly for that reason. People collecting film and TV merchandise.

 

Philip

StarWarsCrazy

[showmasters]

hi yesindeed

 

i do not have any problem with people with low posts coming on here and talking

 

but what i do have a problem with is people coming on here and quoting us when we did not say such a thing and digging at us and mate you did use quote marks and you used it to make it out to be a fact and it is this i think is out of order

 

you would think if you had just joined the forum then you would have something good to say about something ?

 

how about coming on here and talking to people and make some friends rather just pushing your point of view and enforcing it with quotes from people you know and that are not on here to support your claim

 

also thanks big phil good to see you on here

 

jason

[Lizzy]

Jason, the majority of us understand what you are trying to do- esp those of us who have been there since the start, and seen how you have built up the shows, and indeed, the way you treat the fans.

I've been to quite a few "other" shows too- I will admit to that... but SM are the only organisers who actually think of the fans, and have a dedicated and helpful crew. I realise some SM crew help with other events too, but ultimately, its the Pit bosses and SM who sort it all out, and it all makes a real difference.

 

I said in the other thread, looking at the last Glasgow's threads, 4 of the biggest guests were announced just 2 WEEKS before the show. So the current guest list isn't reflecting the final list looking at that.

 

SM have been doing this for god knows how many years now, and they've got to be the front runners for conventions/ shows in the UK atm. They are at least for all the people I know! If they know how to run and build up an event, they'll do it the best they can. If its not successful, its gona be to do with other factors, not what they do. Look at the past events for CM:MK and LFCC and see how they've grown! And they are smack bang central. Glasgow is deff not, so yea the process will be slower.

 

I have a huge headache now so I'm gona stop before I ramble. But I'll just say again, SM know what they are doing- the dealers obv realise that and it shows. Most people have faith in you SM... for the odd few that don't, its their loss. As I KEEP saying, you don't HAVE to do these shows, so these people shouldn't treat you like you are doing them an injustice not getting specific guests.

Oh, and "Opinions" are removed when it is purely slating for no need. There is no point in it, it will get you nowhere. Come to the shows, don't come to the shows. Whatever. Its up to you. The way SM run their shows are up to THEM, not a few demanding individuals. Simple as.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Lizzy

[vampiric_kitten]

I know I don't have that many posts but i'd just like to have a say.

 

I found out about the event about 5 days before last year and still went so leaving announcements to the last minute will make no impact on whether people go or not. If they're going to go they will.

 

The guest list is a matter of opinion. So what if some people don't think it's a good list I do and so do many other people and these are the people who will make it a success. I for one want the events to keep returning and will be supporting it no matter what whether I like the guests or I just go for the stalls.

 

If it is advertised now, even without the full guest line up, it will get interest up. Anyone who is actually interested will follow it and will probably attend anyway.

 

As everyone else has said, Showmasters have been running these type of events for years and they've been successful for years. I'm sure if they wanted any help they'd ask for it.

 

If anyone thinks they can do better why not start your own event? I'm sure then you'd find it much more difficult than typing on a forum "Your guests are rubbish get better ones". Things are not always that simple. I can imagine it's extremely difficult putting together an event like this and getting all the guests together etc. I praise Showmasters for this.

 

And on a more upbeat note, i'm really looking forward to it now.

[gebes]

I don't think it's a case that you must have so many posts made in order to make a comment etc.

 

At least you have made constructive comments rather then just bleating that the line up is rubbish like others have.

 

I will still attend even if it is just for the one day just to show my support, There's not ( yet ..) a guest announced that I'm planning on meeting, but I'm sure that will soon change!

 

It's good though that there are those who are new to these events and forums, who do realise that they must show support for the event in the early days!

[Alanistic]

I'm not even going to go reading through all the posts. All I'm going to say (as a Scottish person) is yay Showmasters and yay Glasgow! I'll be at the event and plan on enjoying it to the fullest. There are some good guests announced and I can't wait to see who else Showmasters manage to lineup. Collectormania: Glasgow was great last year and I see no reason why this year shouldn't be even better!

 

Go 'un yirsel Showmasters! Show 'em how its dun!

[pez]

i like the fact that there is a collectamania at this end of the country it means that if i dont perticualy need or want to see a guest i can still travel to look at the stalls and enjoy the atmosphere as its only 2 hours each way on teh train rather than the colloosal 6 hours on the train to cm.mk or the 5 hours to lfcc.

 

if your going to go your going to go, its as simple as that, i have already booked time off work for cm14 and that was with just the dates anounced, and im a right skint flint i will not pay for stuff if i dont have to lol.

 

just look at the awsom guests that there now pulling out the bag for lfcc i would much rather get a guest a few days before an event than months before and have them cancele.

 

and before the travel isuess come up i need to book tickets at least 3 months in advance for trains and thing sor i just couldnt aford the prices! it just wouldnt be possible for me to do it on my rubbish wage.

 

 

showmaster unlike some of the other poeple i have been to events organised actualy take peoples opinions on board and try and corect things that dont work, for that i give them credit.

[HazaRaza]

Showmasters,

 

Why don't we cut through the bull right to the crunch - why are you leaving it to last minute to announce the full guest line up, what is the problem????????

 

The other group that used to do events in Glasgow had full guest line up months ahead of the show. Don't give me any cobblers with - we don't want to announce full list then have cancellations, that's inevitable with any celebrity appearance event. The prevous group only had one or two cancellations each event, and I think they filled them with other people.

 

So why only 8 guests with under 2 months until the show? Why only one guest thus far that the average member of the public might know who he is - Peter Davidson?

 

Guests like it are not are the main drawing card, who in Scotkand will pay £10 to go in and see current guest list? Sure some , but not all that many, and the casual general member of the public or a shopper at the venue - Braehead shopping centre, is not likely to see posters with current guest list and think £10 that's for me!

 

Sure I heard talk of advertising budget of £15K for Scottish event, spend less on advertising & more on decent guests. People are distributing flyers, get posters all over Braehead NOW, posters up in stores. Sunday Mail newspaper Scottish supplement magazine is good place to advertise, etc, etc. If the current line up is not added too much, or any big names added , free advice DON'T blow £15K+ on advertising & promoting that line up!

 

No reason for poor line up thus far or for leaving guest list to the last minute? Rapid deleting of posts that dare to mention those glaring facts, what is going on? LEAVING THE GUEST LIST (8 CURRENTLY , 2 OF THEM ADDED FAIRLY RECENTLY) TILL THE LAST MINUTE IS VERY POOR PLANNING & ORGANISATION - THERE'S SIMPLY NO GETTING AROUND IT.

 

I know many people that would go to those events , they are all saying the same - the current line up is shockingly bad.

 

People sadly won't pay £10 to see them, sure there are the stalls but those who have never been to the event or similar ones, will think twice on parting with £10 just to get into see them. Many I've told about the event have looked at the website with guest list and said , no way am I paying £10 to go to that, never mind travel costs, etc for some of them.

 

I really hope the event goes well and is successful but the line up is crucial to that, and at present it just doesn't cut it. The previous group made similar mistakes then pulled out from shows in Scotland, nobody wants to see that happen with Showmasters.

[Lizzy]

Omg stop repeating yourself- most of what you've just said is in the first post.. READ IT!

[pez]

Omg stop repeating yourself- most of what you've just said is in the first post.. READ IT!

 

 

they cant its not WROTE IN BIG SHOUTY LETTERS LIKE THIS so its not penetrating the thick scull of the poster.....obviously he needs jason to burn it in the wall in front of him with one of his light sabers....

Edited July 9, 2008 by pez

[DavidB]

What I don't understand is why just because a couple of people aren't interested in going for the guests at the moment, does that represent the entirity of Scotland or wherever else?

 

I didn't particularly think the lineup at the Glasgow event previously was impressive - but there's the key thing .. it wasn't for ME. However by all accounts the event was successful, encouraging Showmasters to not only do this event but add another one too.

 

The lineup at the previous event was small compared to the other events that Showmasters run, but people did turn up. So they're taking a similar approach this time - why not? I find it hard to believe that they don't know what they're doing.

 

If it doesn't work out, then they'll learn things and improve next time. However they obviously feel that they can run the Glasgow event like this and it be successful, so that's their choice.

 

There's still time for them to add more guests, and I don't think it matters as much in this case about announcing in advance as it's built to appeal to a local market NOT a worldwide one. It should be easy for people to pop along. I think that REALLY needs to be taken into account because unless you get that into your head, you're always going to have far too high expectations and you'll always be disappointed.

 

It's entirely unrealistic to expect Glasgow to have the calibre and quantity of guest that other places have at the moment. Who knows what'll happen in the future, but for now if a smaller local event is not to your liking then I suggest saving up your money and going elsewhere. Your friends should do the same

Edited July 9, 2008 by DavidB

[yesindeed]

Okay lizzy, he would look at his first post but something funny happened to that...

 

haza finally some support

 

now before you guys start getting the pitchforks and flaming torches out please just let us get our points across before you start posting about how stupid we are

 

all me and haza are trying to say is that we're disappointed by the guest announcements so far, if Showmasters leave it until the last minute to announce the full guest list (hopefully with bigger names) then there will not be as many people attending as there could be

 

Showmasters want Glasgow to be big and i'm sure it will be one day, but they need to work on the present before thinking about what it will be one day. last year was awesome and that was my first event, i read about it the day before in the daily record where they had a small advertisement. The turn out was great last year but like haza says if you put the full line up out and start advertising it now the show will be massive this year

 

i know its a busy time for Showmasters just now because of LFCC and MK and i understand that those are the flagship events but that doesn't mean that glasgow and the whole of the scottish fans who don't want/cant afford to go down to england should have to suffer. i'm not expecting a line up like LFCC or MK but just a line up like last years but with one or two more of the bigger guests. with a line up like that if one or two guests drop out then the line up is still quite strong

 

haza is bang on the money again, people who have been before will come for the stalls and the whole experience, i will be doing it myself and i know i will have a good time. but i know for myself it was the guests that attracted me to the event last year because i didn't know what stalls would be there or what it would be like. this is why its important to get that full list up as soon as its done because then more people will see it and want to come to meet guests and then stay for the stalls and probably will come in december and then again next summer

 

And finally all me and haza are trying to do is just give some constructive criticism we are not waging war on Showmasters, i can only speak for myself here but i really appreciate what these guys do for us fans and i am grateful for them putting on the shows. All i am disappointed about is that they said this year would be bigger and better and if they don't announce more/bigger guests it will not be as big as it could be.

[yesindeed]

they cant its not WROTE IN BIG SHOUTY LETTERS LIKE THIS so its not penetrating the thick scull of the poster.....obviously he needs jason to burn it in the wall in front of him with one of his light sabers....

 

that is a bit uncalled for, we're trying to be civilized about this and you are just making it childish

[pez]

and by sying that samething is a bit rubish beacause you dont like the guests and because you dont think its going to be sucsesful isnt being childesh?

[DavidB]

now before you guys start getting the pitchforks and flaming torches out please just let us get our points across before you start posting about how stupid we are

 

all me and haza are trying to say is that we're disappointed by the guest announcements so far, if Showmasters leave it until the last minute to announce the full guest list (hopefully with bigger names) then there will not be as many people attending as there could be

OK, I hope you don't take my replying to your points as anything harsh or calling you stupid etc - it's simply an opposing view. It's an interesting discussion

 

My main problem with what you're saying is that even if there were more/bigger guests, who's to say you'd be interested in them anyway? Plus I think it makes more sense for them to have bigger guests at the bigger events i.e. LFACC and MK. That's to assume they even have a choice of where they want them, as it's not always that simple - look at Midlands, they got Bruce Campbell and that was the first event there. So sometimes it's just a case of dates working out etc.

 

However I do still think that a late guest list for this event wouldn't be as detrimental to this show as it would be LFACC or MK - shows that clearly appeal to an audience far wider than Glasgow is intended to do.

 

Showmasters want Glasgow to be big and i'm sure it will be one day, but they need to work on the present before thinking about what it will be one day. last year was awesome and that was my first event, i read about it the day before in the daily record where they had a small advertisement. The turn out was great last year but like haza says if you put the full line up out and start advertising it now the show will be massive this year

That reads like you think they're witholding guests or something? "Put the full line up out" - they announce guests when everything is finalised, and unfortunately it does take time etc. It's not a case of them not announcing things deliberately, sitting on these guests and not telling people just to annoy you. They can't move things any faster - unfortunately sometimes things just aren't sorted early. I'm sure in an ideal world they'd want to announce big and strong lineups for all their shows as early as possible to get maximum exposure, but it just doesn't happen in some cases.

 

i know its a busy time for Showmasters just now because of LFCC and MK and i understand that those are the flagship events but that doesn't mean that glasgow and the whole of the scottish fans who don't want/cant afford to go down to england should have to suffer. i'm not expecting a line up like LFCC or MK but just a line up like last years but with one or two more of the bigger guests. with a line up like that if one or two guests drop out then the line up is still quite strong

This is going to perhaps come across as rude, which I don't mean it to be, however .. basically, they don't owe you anything. It's just like people saying "there should be a Collectormania in Wales, we have to travel the most!" like Showmasters owe a show to the people of Wales. This isn't the case - it's a business, their business, and they'll run it how they see fit. Will it always be right? Of course not, but in the end it does come down to their decisions.

 

I certainly don't blame them for putting maximum effort into LFACC - look what they've achieved! And why not? It's a far bigger show than Glasgow is, and so they'll be getting bigger quantities of guests, and a higher quality. They know how successful the show is, and they're capitalising on that. This doesn't mean Glasgow is 'suffering' - obviously they have faith in the Glasgow show due to their chosen expansion of the event, but they'll put into it what they feel is necessary. All attendees have completely different expectations of what they believe the event should be about, and what will get them to attend etc - it's just in your case that you want a bigger guest lineup. That doesn't mean everyone does. Of course you have every right to express an opinion, but some people are coming across like they know how to run the event, and are telling the organisers exactly what to do.

 

If, for example, Showmasters don't feel they want to have a big guest at Glasgow because there won't be as many people travelling there to meet them, then they won't. LFACC and MK have proven track records in terms of that, while Glasgow is still taking baby steps towards growth. You have to weigh up the risk/reward type deal - how much do they want to put into this event, and how much will they get out of it? Their vision of the event may not be the same as yours.

 

But hey, in the end we don't even know what else they'll be adding to this .. after all, it's not like it's tomorrow

[yesindeed]

and by sying that samething is a bit rubish beacause you dont like the guests and because you dont think its going to be sucsesful isnt being childesh?

 

at no point did me or haza say we didn't like the guests announced!

 

all you are doing is focusing on one point of our argument, read our whole post and try to understand where we are coming from

[yesindeed]

Thanks for being civilized about this, i am assuming that we are all adults here and there's no point in slinging mud for the sake of it

 

very good points raised again

 

i can't find it just now but Showmasters did say that they didn't announce guests too early in case they drop out, sorry if i took it the wrong way but to me that sounds like they have an idea of the guests and the guests have said they would but they don't want to put it on the site incase they drop out and you get all of us hitting the boards kicking and screaming, this may not be the case

 

again its not the guests in the line up we are complaining about its the fact that we we're promised bigger and better this year

 

last year look at what we had

 

Anthony Head

Robert Engerlund

John Rhys davis

paul mcgann

kenny barker

ianto from torchwood (can't remember his name)

kid from harry potter

and more

 

look at this years and compare it, its nothing on last years

 

not all guests will be to every ones liking i know, but last years was very impressive and appealed to a much wider fan base

[Lizzy]

Okay lizzy, he would look at his first post but something funny happened to that...

 

Huh? The first post of this thread? Where Jason answers all of the previous posts? I'm not sure you've read it either...

 

all me and haza are trying to say is that we're disappointed by the guest announcements so far, if Showmasters leave it until the last minute to announce the full guest list (hopefully with bigger names) then there will not be as many people attending as there could be

That reads like you think they're witholding guests or something? "Put the full line up out" - they announce guests when everything is finalised, and unfortunately it does take time etc. It's not a case of them not announcing things deliberately, sitting on these guests and not telling people just to annoy you.

 

David took the words out of my mouth for this one... must have read my last replies for past similar comments lol

 

 

at no point did me or haza say we didn't like the guests announced!

 

all you are doing is focusing on one point of our argument, read our whole post and try to understand where we are coming from

 

You seem to be talking like you have read every single one of his posts? A lot have been deleted, before you may have seen them. I've seen a lot of people on here saying they don't like the guests. Plus saying one doesn't like the guest list, or its not good enough implies that one doesn't like the line up.

 

 

To both of you, as David said, SM AREN'T withholding guests... their budget for Glasgow so far isn't as big as for the other shows, as it isn't as built up yet. They will be talking to agents etc, and building up the lists. Chris Lloyd for LFCC was announced at 3.30am- Jason has just finished talks with his agent. AS SOON AS the guests are confirmed, SM announce them. There is no hiding of any sort- they are just coming in slower. They CAN'T spend money on guests like they do for LFCC- LFCC is a built up show, and there must be loadsa pre bookings- plus in the past lots of people have been to it, so they know what to expect. Glasgow is all new, and they are going by figures from last year. They need to build it up, simple as.

 

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, trust them to build up the show as they need to. That way it'll be better for the show, and for the attendees. They've been doing this for aaaaages. If you think you can do a better job, go ahead, you may have a shock. If you don't like the show, don't go. If you want to go, do and have fun, try and make friends... we're not bad really!

Just read Jason's comments. Take them on board, stop being so negative when he has already explained himself, it won't get you very far.

 

I was going to say something else, but my lava lamp stole my attention. so I'll just "Keep looking shocked, and slowly move towards the cake" (Homer Simpson)... or I'll follow the DeeBee and just

 

 

 

*edit after seeing the above post* You can't have been too impressed with last year if you put "Robert Engerland, Kenny Barker, ianto and the kid from HP" lol... not too memorable there obv lol... AND as I've said in other posts that obv haven't been read... the kid, Kenny, JRD and someone else were announced just 2 weeks before the show. We're not even that near yet. So we're prob BETTER than last years so far.

Edited July 9, 2008 by Lizzy

[yesindeed]

my apologies you weren't very clear before

 

i know it must be hard for them doing all the shows but please think of this as a political re-election

 

labour have a term in charge

 

labour want re-elected so they promise tax cuts and better benefits for the public

 

they don't deliver what they have promised when they get re-elected and the public start voting for the other parties

 

all i am sayin is (and i know i'm repeating myself again) we were promised bigger and better and we haven't got it, i am a big geek, love buffy, firefly, the doc, red dwarf, heroes, hp and lots more and i am looking forward to going i'm just a bit annoyed because we were promised more

[Lizzy]

Say SM have asked every cast member from all of the above. But they're all interested, but all working or too expensive, or say they're getting back to them. What more can they do at this stage? They're not doing it on purpose- even CMs and LFCCs have these situations sometimes. JUST TRUST THEM. Complain at the 2 week mark if nothing has improved. Just be patient till then. Let them do their job.

[DavidB]

Yes we all did it, thank you all for helping make this happen

 

we WILL BE BACK next year bigger and better

 

there was over 7500 people attend the event so we now have the confidence to bring bigger guests to the good people of Scotland

 

We will have a Saturday night party next time as well

 

you were all such a freiendley bunch

 

Thank you all so much

 

We are here to stay and make the best event we can in scotland

 

Jason and the Showmasters team

Just for arguments sake, this is what Jason posted after the last Glasgow event. I think it helps that we have something to refer back to.

 

all i am sayin is (and i know i'm repeating myself again) we were promised bigger and better and we haven't got it, i am a big geek, love buffy, firefly, the doc, red dwarf, heroes, hp and lots more and i am looking forward to going i'm just a bit annoyed because we were promised more

Now if I'm being picky - and for this particular case I will be - I could analyse the statement with the following:

 

"We will be back next year" - and indeed they are.

"Bigger" - expansion already announced.

"Better" - well, that's general advertising hype .. it's more down to opinion of course, but fair enough.

 

"we now have the confidence to bring bigger guests" - ok, this is probably the main point. In this statement, bigger guests are not promised. To me, this reflects a certain amount of faith on Showmasters' part to believe Glasgow is worth investing in, and that they at least intend on trying to bring bigger guests.

 

'Bigger' in itself is often down to perception. One man's ultimate guest is another person's nobody.

 

Then it also comes down to various other factors:

 

1) Affordability.

2) Availability.

3) Willingness.

 

Those are just three things I can think of. These factors are why NO organiser can legitimately PROMISE anything in relation to guest appearances at one of their events. There are too many outside factors that will influence the possibility of a guest appearing at an event. And that's not even dealing with cancellations.

 

Again, I'll reiterate that I'm being very picky over this, but I'm just trying to put it all in perspective.

 

And again, in the end there's still time to deliver some other guests, and of course I hope they can deliver someone that might interest you. I want the event to be a success, and I want people to enjoy themselves. I absolutely respect the tastes of the individual, but I also know that it's near impossible for an organiser to cover all bases - unfortunately there will be times where an attendee doesn't find something/enough that interests them.

 

I guess I've just learnt to take certain things with a pinch of salt, and I'm very aware of how difficult things can be to organise. But I also know how capable the organisers are

[yesindeed]

great point

 

okay guys and gals lets call a truce for the moment

 

i realize that myself and haza have been a little bit disrespectful and i apologize on my behalf

 

how about this

 

we don't mention the guest list and we don't argue with each other about whether its good or not good

 

until like you say the 2 week mark then we can open up these threads again and go for each others throats (metaphorically)

 

sound fair?

 

*offers hand for acceptance*

[Lizzy]

I'm fully confident in SM'd ability to get more guests by the 2 week mark, like they did last time (I looked in the old forum section for announcement dates). But, yea if they don't, then you're comments will be more valid deff.

I realise you both just want the best poss show, which is what we all want ultimately. It'll get there I'm sure :)